Bridgett Meyers: The Un-anti-Mormon

[_stemelbow]

Droopy,

why do you even care about this? What is your problem? Graham? MsJack? Who cares? This is doing you no good. This is the kind of venting that Abman has expressed as the problem over at RfM. read his thread--see if it fits.

[_bcspace]

I wonder, could it be that, given that Graham is among the most extreme, partisan, hostile, narcissistic, and intellectually unstable critics among apostate LDS online today,

I agree with this assessment. However, I am looking for you guys to refute his arguments with quotes and references or reasons why his quotes and references (if any) are no good. Would be much better than closing down the threads and leaving it to look as if we have nothing with which to gainsay. Pahoran and others have fallen into the trap of meeting invective with invective instead of sticking with cold hard logic and facts.

[_Jason Bourne]

I agree with this assessment. However, I am looking for you guys to refute his arguments with quotes and references or reasons why his quotes and references (if any) are no good. Would be much better than closing down the threads and leaving it to look as if we have nothing with which to gainsay. Pahoran and others have fallen into the trap of meeting invective with invective instead of sticking with cold hard logic and facts.

Well BC as much as you annoy me at times you do attempt to do this. you remain even and unflustered and do not like heavy handed moderation. So kudos to you.

[_Kevin Graham]

Pahoran called me a liar numerous times.

I never called him a liar.

Pahoran said I was worse than a murderer.

What "invective" have I ever offered that would cause him to say such things?

This nonsense about how people only respond to me in such ways because I initiated hostilities is a myth.

[_Kevin Graham]

The first time I was reprimanded by the mods over at MAD, it was because I said Will Schryver was deluded. I was told that this was not going to be tolerated. That it was precisely this kind of "personal attack" that would get me banned.

I then searched the forum for the word "delusional" and you wouldn't believe the number of times this word was used freely by LDS apologists. I presented an example when it was used by none other than Will Schryver himself, and I was then banned from the thread for arguing with the mods. Sigh!

Incidentally, Bill Hamblin called me delusional just last week. The mods said nothing about it.

It is impossible to deny that there is a double standard here. The fact that the bar is set so high for me and so low for the rest of the apologists is pretty funny.

[_Jason Bourne]

Pahoran called me a liar numerous times.

I never called him a liar.

Pahoran said I was worse than a murderer.

What "invective" have I ever offered that would cause him to say such things?

This nonsense about how people only respond to me in such ways because I initiated hostilities is a myth.

Pahoran is the nasty of nastiness. His invective is poison. Even as a TBM and hobby apologist he made me cringe.

[_bcspace]

I agree with this assessment. However, I am looking for you guys to refute his arguments with quotes and references or reasons why his quotes and references (if any) are no good. Would be much better than closing down the threads and leaving it to look as if we have nothing with which to gainsay. Pahoran and others have fallen into the trap of meeting invective with invective instead of sticking with cold hard logic and facts.

Well BC as much as you annoy me at times you do attempt to do this. you remain even and unflustered and do not like heavy handed moderation. So kudos to you.

I must only use my powers to annoy.

[_Buffalo]

The first time I was reprimanded by the mods over at MAD, it was because I said Will Schryver was deluded. I was told that this was not going to be tolerated. That it was precisely this kind of "personal attack" that would get me banned.

I then searched the forum for the word "delusional" and you wouldn't believe the number of times this word was used freely by LDS apologists. I presented an example when it was used by none other than Will Schryver himself, and I was then banned from the thread for arguing with the mods. Sigh!

Incidentally, Bill Hamblin called me delusional just last week. The mods said nothing about it.

It is impossible to deny that there is a double standard here. The fact that the bar is set so high for me and so low for the rest of the apologists is pretty funny.

It's vicious behavior when you do it.

It's funny when they do it.

[_bcspace]

What "invective" have I ever offered that would cause him to say such things?

Here's one from the open thread by you:

Do you seriously not understand the difference between an accusation and a question?

I know, I know. As modest as it is and as common as this type of invective is among the MDD'ers themselves, you still have to be careful. When debating with those who's alter egos are mods (or they can cry rivers to a mod and get you banned or suspended), I've survived by not falling into the invective trap. You can tell they are sometimes just itching to get you to say the wrong thing so they can have an excuse. But you have to fight through the double-standard and maintain an iron constitution and be perfect.

Frankly, in the recently closed thread, I thought the apologists were the most invective of all and to the mod's credit you were not blamed (publically) for the closure. But it should not have been closed. There should merely have been a warning to stick with the facts and Zakuska would have eventually come in with his stuff.

[_Kevin Graham]

I know, I know.

Exactly. That doesn't even begin to compare to the invective that has been directed my way from those people. I was particularly careful to walk on eggshells in the Pahoran exchange, and every time he called me a liar or something heinous, I thought for sure he'd get called to the carpet for doing so. But it never happened. Instead, I was the guy who they decided to ban from the thread. Pahoran then told everyone it was because I couldn't refrain from "personal insults" but I think the reason is obvious. It is because his spinning to defend a proven liar was getting too embarrassing.

Sigh.