Dan Peterson is Something Else

[_Kevin Graham]

Yeah, go ahead and consider yourself a victim Dan. This is what you do best.

But we both know this is all you're doing. I didn't ask for this crap. You came at me on the other forum with guns a blazin, knowing perfectly well you'd have me banned for simply responding and denying your accusations (this would be interpreted as indirectly calling you a liar). You turned an entire discussion about John Taylor's deception into a well-poisoning, anti-Kevin hate fest. You refuse to back up any of your claims about me with evidence because you know your accusations are false. And yet you're the same cry-baby who is constantly whining about how your apologetic career and reputation is in constant jeopardy because of people like Ritner and Scratch, who threatened to hold you accountable for what you say. Suddenly, I don't feel sympathy for you anymore. I regret ever pleading with Ritner not to take legal action against you for your libelous claims about him.

Yes, you are a coward and a liar and I regret ever standing up for you in the past, which was more often than you realize.

[_Daniel Peterson]

LOL. You've certainly refuted my suggestion that you're overly prone to intemperate language and to calling people who disagree with you liars, morons, idiots, hypocrites, incompetents, and cowards.

I'm leaving the computer now. Have fun!

[_Doctor Scratch]

And, of course, Dan's interjection into the thread had zero to do with the actual topic. He's having a whoppin' good time with it all, inviting Bill "Butthead" Hamblin to join in the fun. (Maybe someone should email Hamblin's Israel colleagues a link to his infamous RfM rant?) It amazes me that people can read a thread like that and fail to see that such a major part of what DCP & Co. do is character assassination.

Oh, and Dan? I hope you have a nice time in Yellowstone. Hopefully, I won't get any "intel" while you're gone. It would probably crush you if you weren't able to respond within the hour.

[_Kevin Graham]

Now you're lying again. You can't even keep up with your own argument, which was that, "Everybody with whom Kevin disagrees is almost immediately revealed to be a liar, a moron, an idiot, an incompetent, and/or a hypocrite." You couldn't even provide evidence that I had said this about YOU until you gave me a reason, tonight, to call you a liar and coward.

This is why you fled to MAD to make your grand attack on me. You knew that over here, you'd never get away with it. Now we see you're desperately trying to reinvent what you originally said, hoping no one notices.

What a pathetic excuse for an intellectual.

[_Doctor Scratch]

LOL. You've certainly refuted my suggestion that you're overly prone to intemperate language and to calling people who disagree with you liars, morons, idiots, hypocrites, incompetents, and cowards.

I'm leaving the computer now. Have fun!

LOL. You've certainly refuted my and others' assertion that you're overly prone to engaging in smear campaigns, well-poisoning and character assassination.

I'll be up and around for a bit longer. Have fun in Yellowstone!

[_Yahoo Bot]

Kevin:

Everybody's a liar to you, at least those with whom you disagree. Your posting style is despicable; you can't tell the difference between a real lie and somebody just pointing out your follies. I guess you'll call me a liar for merely criticizing you.

But, I'm not the first person to bring this to your attention. You've been banned and shown the door from so many lists and sites over the years; surely you've come to realize by now that there are good-hearted and generous people, and there are miserly and mean-spirited people. People of all stripes, Christians and atheists, fall into either one of those categories. In the end, when we're all dead, we'll either be remembered for the one or forgotten for the other. You're the other.

[_RayAgostini]

Yes, you are a coward. And quite frankly, a disgusting individual if you cannot bring yourself to condemn William Schryver's repugnant attacks on women. That's something that is going to haunt you for the rest of your career.

I promise you.

I have an immoral and bizarre confession to make: I like Will Schryver, in spite of all of his criticisms of me, which is something like four years long now. DCP is a very reasonable person (if we should ever be inclined to listen to his POV), and I think that was clearly demonstrated in his Mormon Stories interview. Perhaps the problem is that we don't really listen.

[_Kevin Graham]

Ah, and here come Dan's little helpers to lie even further

Everybody's a liar to you, at least those with whom you disagree.

Can you back this up with evidence? Dan is too much of a coward to do so. How about you Bob ?

Your posting style is despicable

Only to those apologists who hate refutation. Some actually appreciate it.

you can't tell the difference between a real lie and somebody just pointing out your follies.

Sure I can, but you obviously can't.

But, I'm not the first person to bring this to your attention.

Yes, you're like one of three LDS apologists who got upset with me because I proved someone they revered was a liar.

You've been banned and shown the door from so many lists and sites over the years

Oh really? Then you shouldn't have any problem naming them. Go ahead Bob, let's see what you've got. I mean, you wouldn't be lying would you? Certainly you wouldn't make such a claim without backing it up. The only forum I recall being "banned" from is MAD and, while serving as an apologist, the Waltermartin forum. But then again, so were a number of FARMS scholars. The only "list" I was banned from was the FAIR e-list, which raised a chorus of protests from most of the participants who didn't agree with the decision. Even Scott Gordon didn't agree with the decision, but decided he had no choice given the fact that a woman on the board was extremely upset that I exposed one of her friends as a gossiper at the conference.

surely you've come to realize by now that there are good-hearted and generous people, and there are miserly and mean-spirited people.

Yes, and Dan doesn't get a pass as a good hearted person just because he signs off wishing everyone a wonderful night. There is still that pile of slander he needs to be held accountable for.

People of all stripes, Christians and atheists, fall into either one of those categories. In the end, when we're all dead, we'll either be remembered for the one or forgotten for the other. You're the other.

Sure, in the LDS camp of bitter apologists who hate traitors. I've heard it from too many of your kind. Will Schryver, Droopy, Dan Peterson, and you, you're all about loyalty to the tribe. All apostates are nothing more than hell-bound covenant breakers. You had no problem with me whatsoever when I was giving it to the critics ten years ago. But now that i'm no longer an apologist, you think you can discredit me with slander. You're be no more successful at it than Dan. All you're doing is furthering Dan's attack machine by insisting I'll be remembered by everyone in the way you describe. What a thing to say! And you'll be remembered for what Bob? The guy who calls everyone using a pseudonym a coward? The fact is I am on good terms with a number of LDS folks. Your problem is that you and Dan think that the way you make a small group of people hate me, somehow represents how all other people feel about me. But I am friends with too many Mormons to believe what you're saying is true. Obviously I disagree with them but we disagree in a civil manner because unlike folks like Dan Peterson and William Schryver, they don't insist on making this a "war" against good and evil, where loyalty to your friends is more important than loyalty to the truth.

[_Kevin Graham]

Bob you're the guy who has called EVERYONE who uses a pseudonym a coward.

Now you're going to sit there and criticize me for calling someone a coward, who actually acts like a coward?

Dan ran over to MAD to do his attacks because he knew he could get away with it. Neither here nor there will he produce a CFR because he knows he has no case. All he is trying to do is discredit me by lying about me. It is the same pathetic maneuver he tried with Robert Ritner. It is who he is. He is an old school apologist, which means he believes strongly in this war strategy. It is a famous Mormon past time, and you can see it in John Taylor's deception in France and justified using Joseph Smith's own dictum. Never abandon your friends! That's what matters most.

[_Kevin Graham]

Come on Bob, where'd you go?

Are you going to back up your claims or aren't ya?