Dan Peterson is Something Else

[_Droopy]

Droopy,

The IQ of this "intellectual ghetto" would greatly increase in the wake of your absence.

Yeah, I really should get out of this place. I never did like the smell of burning books.

[_Kevin Graham]

Don't think for a second that George is the first person to point out the problems with his Ensign article. I did the same thing years ago and he never bothered to deal with the evidence. Think about it. Think of the implications. An apostate correcting numerous falsehoods that the Church officially published via Dan Peterson?

It can't happen. It wouldn't happen. Ever. That would mean too many things that they cannot accept. Because apostates are all liars who rely on incomplete data. LDS scholars and apologists are the ones who study ALL the information and treat it honestly. Right?

It is no surprise Dan doesn't debate this. In fact, of the thousands and thousands of posts he has provided over the years, can anyone really point to any debate he has had with anyone?

I mean, really?

People debate to get to the truth. Dan isn't interested in truth because he thinks he already has it.

[_Kevin Graham]

Droopy,

The IQ of this "intellectual ghetto" would greatly increase in the wake of your absence.

Yeah, I really should get out of this place. I never did like the smell of burning books.

You have nothing to worry about. There are no Dr. Seuss books around this place.

But you're probably the one person here who actually knows what burning books smell like! LOL

[_Yahoo Bot]

Sure, in the LDS camp of bitter apologists who hate traitors. I've heard it from too many of your kind. Will Schryver, Droopy, Dan Peterson, and you, you're all about loyalty to the tribe. All apostates are nothing more than hell-bound covenant breakers.

Everybody's a liar. Doesn't take much to get you unhinged.

[_Some Schmo]

Droopy,

The IQ of this "intellectual ghetto" would greatly increase in the wake of your absence.

Quote of the day.

Kevin and I have quite a history of butting heads. There is a lot we've disagreed on and a lot of names have been called both ways, but I can say with confidence that I don't ever recall him calling me a liar.

Just sayin'.

This is clearly another case of young (in intellect) Danny deflecting valid criticism in an attempt to distract people away from what's obvious to any objective observer. Little Danny likes to defend with the old "dodge, switch subjects and attack" method rather than meeting valid criticisms head on. It's actually quite humorous that he thinks this is an effective strategy.

But, ya know... same ol', same ol'.

[_Kevin Graham]

Everybody's a liar. Doesn't take much to get you unhinged.

Not everyone Bob, but you certainly are. You're lying right now when you say I think everyone is a liar.

Calling me unhinged is just the kind of thing you and your ilk need to do. I am no more "unhinged" than Dan when he goes to another forum and bitches and moans about Scratch. The difference is I can face up to Dan on any forum and prove he is wrong. Dan requires a home field advantage.

I'm still waiting for you to support your claims, but I think we both know you never intended to.

Again, truth doesn't matter. Only a blind defense of your buddies matters.

[_Kevin Graham]

Kevin and I have quite a history of butting heads. There is a lot we've disagreed on and a lot of names have been called both ways, but I can say with confidence that I don't ever recall him calling me a liar.

Just sayin'.

This is clearly another case of young (in intellect) Danny deflecting valid criticism in an attempt to distract people away from what's obvious to any objective observer. Little Danny likes to defend with the old "dodge, switch subjects and attack" method rather than meeting valid criticisms head on. It's actually quite humorous that he thinks this is an effective strategy.

But, ya know... same ol', same ol'.

Thanks for that Schmo.

Off the top of my head I can count the number of people I've called and shown to be a liar, on probably one hand.

For years it was strictly John Gee and then it was William Schryver. Lately it is John Taylor and Joseph Smith, but as I said before, I don't just say "liar liar" and leave it at that, as the apologists would love to believe. I explain why the evidence supports this conclusion.

Yesterday Dan pitched a fit because I called him a hypocrite over here, but while doing so he never bothered to explain to his MAD audience why I felt he was a hypocrite. This was clearly intentional, because the evidence is overwhelming.

So what Dan and Bob are doing is what you would expect of those who cannot address the arguments. The arguments being that John Taylor, John Gee and William Schryver have in fact been totally dishonest with their audiences. This is beyond dispute. They don't even bother to dispute it, they just dismiss it out of hand thinking they can exonerate their clients by attacking the accuser. In this case, claiming that my accusations should mean nothing since according to the accuser "everyone" is a liar anyway. This in and of itself is a lie, and they know it.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

In my o-pin-i-on, Peterson is a coward until he addresses his dishonest use of sources that Stak dug up.

Q: What does Dr. Steven Ambrose and Mr. Daniel Peterson have in common?
A: Neither think it's possible to check sources.

[_Kevin Graham]

It should be pointed out that I do not jump too these conclusions easily. I met Dan online back in 1997 and formally met him in 2001. Our disagreements began around 2004 over Islamic matters and that gradually became an ongoing dispute that covered LDS matters as well. I think the first time he and I butted heads over an LDS matter was when i pointed out that Wells Jakeman was a joke of a scholar.

This is the guy who looked at the Tree of Life Stela and determined that one of the figures was Nephi because the image above one character looked like a grain of corn to him, and according to some obscure tradition, an Egyptian "corn God" was called "Nepi." I called Jakeman a crackpot and Dan got pissed because of that.

Later I would challenge his argument regarding Nephi and Asherah. That pissed him off too.

Eventually I would share with him my concerns of falsehoods that had been spread about by some of his friends. At that point he told me he could no longer talk with me and he wanted to cease all email communication. He didn't want too hear anything that his FARMS buddies had lied about, regarding Brent Metcalfe or anyone else. A few months later he emailed me out of the blue to remind me that he wants no more email contact with me (really!).

Then the tension eventually reached a climax when I decided to email Robert Ritner to find out if some of the things Dan had said about him were true. It turns out that Dan was spreading falsehoods about Ritner, and when Ritner threatened a lawsuit, Dan had a complete meltdown. He then whined to the forum about how his livelihood could be negatively affected if he were to go to court, even if he were found innocent. He solicited sympathy from everyone because according to him, he could lose all the money he has been saving for his poor children as their inheritance.

Believe it or not, up to this point I had NEVER called Dan a liar. I just wanted to hear Ritner's side of the story before taking Dan's claims for granted. In fact I had spoken in Dan's defense when others had called him a liar. I felt bad about Dan's situation, gave him the benefit of the doubt and asked Ritner not to press charges against him. Ritner responded by saying he wouldn't, if Dan and John Gee ceased the libelous charges against him. Since then I don't think Dan has dared to repeat these charges. Charges which Ritner said he could and would prove to be false, using email exchanges he would share with the internet world if push came to shove.

So after this, and despite what had been probably a five year history of disagreements with Dan Peterson, I never once called him a liar.

And yet according to Dan, I cannot disagree with anyone without calling them a liar.

Sigh.

[_Buffalo]

You also know that neither Daniel or anyone else is going to spend hours researching the archives of this intellectual ghetto of a message board for the purpose of documenting what you and everybody else already knows to be the case.

Droopy,

The IQ of this "intellectual ghetto" would greatly increase in the wake of your absence.

Zing!