Reformed Egyptian = Latin Short Hand?

[_DrW]

Of course that is Psalm 68 in Vulgate numbering, the one beginning:

'Salva me Deus quoniam venerunt aquae usque ad animam ' as you can just see in the non-Tironian writing under the stuff in capitals.

That is Psalm 69 in the KJV numbering familiar to Protestants, beginning:

'Save me, O God; for the waters are come in unto my soul. '

Nothing about 'and it came to pass', though ... so can it really be Reformed Egyptian?

The fact that you knew that = mind officially blown

+1.
(Really.)

[_just me]

My husband has one of those gold Book of Mormon's!

/nothingofsubstance

[_ELYSAB]

I descend from the VERY ANCIENT and OLDEST FAMILY of SABELLI = SAVELLI that is believed to be an ISRAELITE family that originated from JOEL 3:6 days. And that lived in slavery in LEBANON (Phoenician) and in GREECE. From Greece they "run away, moved to" the ITALIA = ITA LIAH, the land for the "ITA = descendents of" LIAH = JACOB's wife = ISRAEL's wife = Land for the ISRAELITES = Land for the SABELLI = SAB ELI = SABaoth ELI. That in Nephitic language = SABELLI's language means, read from right to left, as Sabelli did in Greece and in Ancient Italy, in SABELLICUS language,
ELI SABaoth = “MY GOD” the “LORD of Heavenly ARMY” = My God Jehovah = Israel’s God = I am Israelite = I am SABELLI = I am Neph (just a small sub-tribe among so many tribes of Sabelli's, as SABINES, LUCANES, PICENTINES, UMBROS, SAMNITES, etc.).

It is well known that a sub-tribe NEPH (NEF) joined to the CELTS in the north of Italy, some VIII (7?) century BC and they made great invasions and disgraces through Europe, even going as far as DANub river (DAN in Sabellicus language...). Also they crossed the CHANNEL that separates France and Great Britain. In it they stopped in the Island of DIEU or ADIEU, which is a SABELLICUS name of GREEK divinity origin (and it is in Book of Mormon, and some think it is of modern French). In Great Britain some Sabelli=NEPHITES moved to live in NORTH IRELAND, in a region named NEPHIN= NEPH IN, the living place for the NEPHites. There you can now find words in Nephitic mixed among Celtic and English... Yet alive Nephitic. Their poetry is quite like old Hebrew poetry... I have an Irish descendant relative in family.

The other NEPH branch departed from Rome's region, something I concluded in late 1997 or maybe early 1998, when I went to work in Italy, ordered by my bi-national sanitation company. That was a sudden order.

When going to board the ALITALIA plane, my connecting flight arrived late. I was the last passenger to come to the desk to board. There was just one seat vacant, at the very rear. Then the attendant "remembered" there was plenty of seats at the very first row of economy class, from window to window, but BLOCKED by an unknown PASSWORD. As it has ended the boarding time, attendant reasoned such seats had been unlocked by now. They weren't. I had asked window. The blocked seat "blinked and turned free". It got unlocked by itself, without requiring password but the others remained blocked and requiring password. The attendant told my invisible group was just waiting for me and were holding the reservation for us have some privacy. Never during the flight any person sat or even tried to seat on any of that "blocked" seats: maybe others passengers “saw” that vacant seats as occupied seats... (?) Even if the plane was very overcrowded and before our seats there was a corridor: plenty space to stretch the legs.

During the flight I became aware that the trip to Italy was not a common trip, but had something linked to my very ANCIENT ANCESTORS of remote ages…, that I never could dream about. But first of all I had to fulfill the job for what I had been sent to work in Italy. It was to pay attention to the surnames, as on the tombs, on museums, on catacombs,… And that my family ancestors were in quite like two trees. One being the dark side, and symbolism could be the Vatican I was to visit and pay attention. Also quite like a chain/network of Isabel’s palaces through many waters and places of the World. And good ancestors, trees being symbolized by those righteous who died in witness of righteousness, even in Coliseum, to where they were to be gathered to hear I preach a speech to them.

And then, flying very high, departed. I didn't worry about or become mystical or sorrow. I had a normal dinner and a dream night. I raised the arm supports and slept, as if over a bed, while flying to Rome, for a hard next work day.

Thus I paid great attention, quite like trying to discover the “links” among the “words”. My wife, by phone, told me to go without any type of money, when visiting any type of Isabel's relative castles, mainly the corrupt luxurious one.

In hotel my eyes got open and suddenly I started to see and understand “words”. Like a “curtain” fell before my eyes and I saw the Book of Mormon was written in my own VERY ANCIENT "SABELLICUS LANGUAGE", of some 600 BC. And that the NEPHITES had departed from ITALY, from nearby ROME region. It is amazing when you are surrounded with so many "whispers", each one as if from the Coliseum, now them trying to provide you their history.

So I could understand that the WORDS in Book of Mormon are exactly the SAME as those of WORDS of SABELLICUS in some 600 BC in ITALIA, in ITA=DESCENDENTS OF (israel-ITA, ita=descendents of Israel) and that a parallel could be made between what was in Book of Mormon and in OLD ITALLIAN LANGUAGE. And it was very easy TO SEE corruption in the translation toward ENGLISH (from original Book of Mormon in SABELLICUS = NEPHITIC dialect) and from SABELLICUS (of 600 BC) toward our modern Latin-alike languages.

Thus Joseph translation was not something perfect for Latin languages... Some words in fact were not "translated", but just "adjusted cultural-phonetically", and that is very easy to know if you know the original version.... And some words are clearly wrong, as they had none meaning in English, as SHAZER, when it was to mean CHASER for Hebrew or Sabellicus/Latin. But that is not problem, as it is "phonetic" the same.

Immediately (14 years ago…) I wrote and sent a detailed report to some friends and SUD (LDS) important authorities of Brazil. And WORST, BAD IDEA, I did the same for friends and authorities of USA: a CULTURAL PROBLEM.

I was so silly that I even sent, in a Saturday, an express Mail (EMS) to the Church President himself. What so silly!... I doubt that ever such letter reached Gordon B. Hinckley… But, next Wednesday night I was called to be punished, without any specific accusation, and without any trial or possibility of defense, to be cut as being first counselor of bishop (who resigned and abandoned the LDS religion, in protest) and I became without Temple recommendation for very long many years... and prohibited to teach or making speeches or writing sites, having to destroy them... "I became like a dead – alive” member, in “limbo”.



Probably the subject of ITALIC LANGUAGE being like a (Greg) "SHORT HAND" to NEPHITIC LANGUAGE/CHARACTERS remains quite as "dangerous" pathway to follow… But in any way it is the CORRECT PATHWAY. Congratulations from a SABELLICUS language which INCLUDES such a wide possible branch of sub-language and sub-tribes and characters into what you proposed.



I posted extensive literatures in SUD (Brazil) and LDS literature (even in FAIR) and even in Israelite sites (since 1999) about such nothing conventional things, as translation of CARACTORS into CHARACTERS and their gathering into WORDS. In fact I learned much from the Jews of USA, because when I could do not among the LDS, some Jews suggested me share their friendship, as if an "exiled"... Thus I was accepted as LDS to live and be protected among the Jews, friendly, as brother. Quite like Moses among Arabs into Jethro’s family.

I learn some good things. As how they translated so many NEPHITIC materials they gathered across USA, quite like "other nephitic texts/plates": very good information you should know it exist, and that LDS try to hide the existence... and the TREASURES it was excavated from Indians Mounds, a work done including by Joseph Smith, was bought by the Jews, mainly in their hands…. They translated according scientific principles. Not exactly as I had done, but the final result is quite like the same… I was considered RABINE because of SCINCE, not because of RELIGION, as I continue LDS… Large number of posted articles in Jew sites, including orthodox).

I suggest you examine the contents of the following TOPICS:

Translation of CARACTORS and KINDERHOOK + similar materials

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20022

Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19926&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=63

Thu Aug 18, 2011 5:24 pm
Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:41 pm
Sat Aug 20, 2011 9:46 pm
Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:03 pm
Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:02 pm
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Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:21 pm

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19926&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=84

Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:06 am
Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:14 pm
Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:52 am
Fri Aug 26, 2011 2:22 pm
Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:18 pm
Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:28 pm
Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:36 am (Please, see this)
Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:03 pm (see this, also)
Mon Aug 29, 2011 3:23 pm

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19926&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=126

Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:29 am

CHARACTERS BOOK Mormon FOUND WITH USA INDIANS IN PETROGLYPHS

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2504&sid=0cafc4de90596bb572c58571c516593d

The posted material is SO OLD that all external links are not more working... GEOCITIES provider was extinct by Yahoo... You can see that the use of ITALIC CHARACTERS was extensively discussed in FAIR


Mormon DIALOGUE & DISCUSSION BOARD
1921 Book of Mormon Geography Hearings * * * * *

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/54967-1921-book-of-mormon-geography-hearings/page__st__60

Message #63 (how to write and read in NEPHITIC = ITALIC language = SABELLIC)
Message #65

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/cc1eb62bdf60b7c21be43b13c0c0778260bcaba60ee7872d3d1c993ccb1a309b4g.jpg CLICK ON URL and "SEE"

Message #68
Message # 71
Message #75
Message #79 (meaning of CUMORAH and SABAL, Mormon, MORONI)


http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/f9ae412fc6d3ebeb7513fdaf14d5e02c6c323ed13bc8236e6b2162cdd98fc6c94g.jpgCLICK ON URL and "SEE"

Message #42 - kingdom around MANTI and RIPLAH and RIPLIANCUM
Message #80
Message #83 NEPHI town in EGYPT and NEPHI region in IRELAND
Message #84 Jews scientists translated Nephitic characters, they found in USA, in some places, for long.
Message #89 DID ROMAN EMPIRE "CHARACTERS"=MODERN LATIN was used in writing Book of Mormon? NO! They used ARCHAIC SABELLICUS, which has nothing to do with modern Latin characters.

MESSAGE #91 = HERE IS THE EXPLANATION WHY NOT MODERN LATIN

MESSAGE # 92 shows the CHARACTERS and LANGUAGE being used in ITALY when NEPHITES DEPARTED from there, starting the trip to USA.
You can see nice pictures of Objects found from Indian MOUNDs with texts written on them with CHARACTERS like those on Anthon Caractors, usually gathered by Jews scientists (not FAIR/BYU). Also the great smooth vertical wall also with carved characters of NEPHITIC generating a Religious Bible text in New Mexico.

Message # 93 etc. etc., up to the Message 120 (the Forum was CLOSED, EXTERMINATED to new posting: it is what appears; some ideas are not welcome, as I discovered in 1998 about the Nephites being a branch from a Greek-Italian "TREE"; they tried to SILENCE me as they tried also silence SCIENCE, as evident with GALILEO GALILEI. In vain). You yourself will concluded the obvious. Your proposition is toward the correct solution. Best personal regards, sincerely yours.


A message about REFORMED EGYPTIAN = LATIN SHORT HAND was reproduced in the TOPIC:
Post subject: Re: Translation of CARACTORS and KINDERHOOK + similar material, at this time: PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:51 am


ELYSAB

[_ELYSAB]

Some more material on translation of Nephitic charactes and words to English, and vice-versa, are available even in LDS sites, in Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French... and English. As this one published in FAIR in 2005. Unfortunatelly the pictures (images) were based on Geocities server (from YAHOO) what was extinct. They can be retrieved, but the process is not reliable or easy. But almost all such images I had saved in my computers and CD, before the end of Geocites, and can be obtained. Also some of such material can be obtained in Jewish sites, in a cooperation started in 1999 mainly with Washington, in the research about of Garden of Eden, Eden and even America's Garden of Eden and their linking. A research that came "from the space", and generated the "one hour map", quite like a view from 1,200 km over a fixed point in so many millions years ago. It was only for research purposes: "no religion".

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2523&highlight=savelli

PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: BOOK Mormon being written BACK in NEPHI's language! See it!

RESTORE on PLATES words and phrases as they were written on GOLD PLATES before translation to generate our Book of Mormon.

There is a work going on, since 1998 (started in ROME) to RESTORE on plates exactly the same words and phrases that originally were written on Gold Plates and originated the translated Book of Mormon. Such "restoration" is being done using the same LANGUAGE and rules used in the NEPHI's language, with the SAME CHARACTERS (as "ANTHON's CARACTORS" and from USA INDIANS PETROGLYPHS found in USA, as from NEWARK-OHIO from 1860 - quite old - and from LOS LUNAS/Albuquerque-New Mexico).

You should examine the specific drawing on such task, going on. You may JOIN IN IT, with your HELP and COMMENTS and criticisms. You are welcome!

http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/elycellis ... ITICOd.JPG ---> GEOCITIES ended
(click on right down corner of it up to become enlarged).

This is a more specific FIGURE, showing how to "restore" = write back, on modern PLATES and sheet of paper, to become alike GOLD PLATES, with the same words, according with OLD CHARACTERS and OLD LANGUAGE RULES. ----> continues in FAIR

[_Buffalo]

I'd be interested to hear a response from someone who isn't posting from a rubber room.

[_Chap]

I'd be interested to hear a response from someone who isn't posting from a rubber room.

Well, it is surely significant that these are the only responses we are getting from some kind of LDS perspective to what seems to be a significant problem about Book of Mormon credibility - i.e. we have some characters that have been pretty consistently treated by LDS writers as coming from the gold plates from a period very early in church history, and it turns our they are very like samples of Tironian shorthand, a form of writing that certainly was never known in the Americas in 'Book of Mormon times', and was known in New England in the time of Joseph Smith, though it was then thought to be possibly Phoenician in origin.

Maybe re-posting in Celestial might encourage some of the shyer and more delicate apologetic spirits to show themselves and vouchsafe to share their views?

[_Buffalo]

I'd be interested to hear a response from someone who isn't posting from a rubber room.

Well, it is surely significant that these are the only responses we are getting from some kind of LDS perspective to what seems to be a significant problem about Book of Mormon credibility - i.e. we have some characters that have been pretty consistently treated by LDS writers as coming from the gold plates from a period very early in church history, and it turns our they are very like samples of Tironian shorthand, a form of writing that certainly was never known in the Americas in 'Book of Mormon times', and was known in New England in the time of Joseph Smith, though it was then thought to be possibly Phoenician in origin.

Maybe re-posting in Celestial might encourage some of the shyer and more delicate apologetic spirits to show themselves and vouchsafe to share their views?

Thanks, good idea.

[_ELYSAB]

We have to take into consideration the factor "time" in very ancient characters (or whatever is equivalent to it, as glyphs, cuneiforms, ideograms, etc.). In case you are considering the use of Italian like characters as the possible source for the Nephitic language, take care on "time scale". Because the Nephitic characters didn't SPROUT as something ITALIC, but it originated from GREECE, and probably from LEBANON (Phoenicia): Joel 3:6. Few know about that... That the Sabelli originated from Greece, and that the Sabellicus is a "blend" of Greek and Phoenician and Hebrew (Joel 3:6), and that is clear also in CARACTORS and in other texts found in USA (as Kinderhook, Los Lunas, Newark, etc.). That is one point. The SABELLI, in Greece, refused to use the plain standard Greek, "but" used the reversal and MIRROR (horizontal and/or vertical) version of it under Hebrew rules (as in doubling consonants...). Also Phoenician suffered adjustments that never became GREEK and turned into ETRUSCAN/Ancient Sabelli.

Because of things that are not SPREAD/TAUGHT, quite like related to the political/racial ROMAN PRIDE (linked to SLAVERY and JOEL 3:6), Rome had to eliminate any "evidence" they had such slavery past. They had to INVENT A NEW and FANTASTIC HISTORY, very FALSE. As their language, the SABELLICUS was a vivid witness of their slavery past, since PHOENICIA (Romans were already in war with CARTHAGE, with the great sprout of PHOENICIANS), they had to EXTERMINATE the Sabellian language. Thus all things that would "remember" original SABELLIAN language, in its original version, was EXTERMINATED, by some 5 century B.C. And all texts destroyed or erased. And such SABELLICUS was MIXED with classic Greek and turned into LATIN, that was said to be a "Noble language, of the Greeks", not of slaves.

It is quite evident that the factor TIME needs to be considered when trying to MATCH the old ROMAN CHARACTERS with those that are shown in the list named CARACTORS that was made by Joseph Smith. If you have CHARACTERS of century II BC that were in use in Rome, and that match with one or more characters shown in the document CARACTORS, it means little thing (for your research, as Nephites had departed in some 620 BC... not influenced by "modern" Latin characters). Mainly if the characters are quite like the same, but not being "reversed" or "mirror image alike" or "inverted upside-down", or things like that. As many of Sabellich characters, when the destruction, survived into alike Greek characters. Maybe earlier documentation of an "old character" (in Sabellicus) was destroyed and only centuries later it was again documented (sprouted).

In any way, so many characters were found in TOMBS discovered in Italy since 1830: words written on walls and on objects, and they were dated from the period clearly of true Sabellics, before the transition toward "classic Greeks" = Latin language. Rome hegemony.

We assume, wrongly, that 1 God's day = 1,000 mortality time years. Maybe it is quite alike "WORTH" 1,000 astronomic and geologic time years. In fact God's scale and Mortality time SCALE are not LINEAR, one in relation to the OTHER. God's scale goes soon toward INFINITY, going ahead and backwards, and both infinites join as if Alpha and Omega, as if into "one eternal circle". We could reason as God's scale being EXPONENTIAL both toward two directions, when expressing "infinite time events", in relation to our limited mortal time events. Even our astronomic and geological events are also quite limited. Because our geologic and astronomical time, even being hugely greater than our "HUMAN MORTALITY TIME", are not replacement to that, as such time (geologic/astronomic) are not equal or the same as mortal time.

In fact MORTALITY TIME, used to register the TIME through WORDS and CHARACTERS written by ADAM and his first DESCENDANTS, was measured through LIVING HUMANS, not through astronomic or geologic events. You should notice that they are not used in Biblical accounts to measure Biblical time spans, as in any Scripture Book.

Thus in fact MILLIONS and MILLIONS our "astronomic and geodesic" time years, which are not the MORTALITY TIME, have past since ADAM and EVE were created (ORGANIZED and then turned MORTAL) in Garden of Eden, up to nowadays, when in fact quite like MORTALITY TIME has past. Oh! But scientists could say: "I provided a date for tablets with ADAM script. They were of MILLION years".
Correct, that was geologic time and not mortality time since Adam...

What is the relationship between geologic/astronomic time, in the tablets with words/characters, and the mortality time and God's time?

[_ELYSAB]

There is a language that became extinct when LATIN language was created and IMPOSED as result of a POLITICAL DECISION by the rising ROME power that was to become ROME EMPIRE.

Sabellicus language was widely spread over ITALY (ITA + LIAh peninsula), inhabited by a people that had come from GREECE and that was speaking yet some of Phoenician language and writing in Phoenician characters even coming from inhabit Greece... Who was such people? In a collective way they were the SABELLICUS. They arrived mainly through Adriatic Sea/coast (middle to north) and maybe also walking through Venice region.

For sure some "old Latin precursor language" existed, in parallel with other ancestor languages, used by such Sabellicus languages (as Greek and Phoenician, what was to become German). But Sabellich was made extinct by political decision, by 5th century BC, by ROME, to exterminate the Sabellicus language showing evidence of link with Phoenician language, that was the proof that Romans and Italians had been slaves (Joel 3:6) of them and of Greeks.

Thus Sabellicus language and thus the Nephitic language (just a branch, of it, by the year of some 600 BC) was made extinct, erase, replaced by the classic LATIN language, created as a "branch language" of classic Greek language.

And all the true past history was replaced by fables and even some tells about some of the true history. As the one that tells the SABELLIS=SABINES (inhabitants of ITA-LIAh) were living as slaves in Greece and run away from it. They stole sailships with few women Sabelli and came to settle Italy and Rome town. Arriving there they "noticed" they had few women. They wanted to return and get more. But the women in sailship refused the idea and threatened to set fire on sailships. They told it was so silly idea, because it was plenty of beautiful women around. It was just the work of capturing them. Thus they made a party and made the "rapt of Sabines party": one of many tales for the foundation of Rome that replaced true history that they destroyed with all Sabelli's past, including language.

For knowing about the true CHARACTERS used by the NEPHITES from the time they departed from ITA-LIAh peninsula, from nearby Rome, have a look to what was the TRUE CHARACTERS they wrote on TOMBS of some 500-700 years BC, as in the region of ORVIETO, some 130 km far from ROME. The small village of NEP nearby it... There are plenty literature about TRUE characters written on stones and objects of such NEPH's period in Italy. You should examine a picture of one word that was engraved on stone of a tomb 500 BC and see it was written with same CARACTORS of Joseph Smith.

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/54967-1921-book-of-mormon-geography-hearings/page__st__80
Message # 92

Old Italic alphabets
Origin
The Old Italic alphabets developed from the west Greek alphabet, which came to Italy via the Greek colonies on Sicily and along the west coast of Italy. The Etruscans adapted the Greek alphabet to write Etruscan sometime during the 6th century BC, or possibly earlier. Most of the other alphabets used in Italy are thought to have derived from the Etruscan alphabet.

"Ancient Latin"
The earliest known inscriptions in the Latin alphabet date from the 6th century BC. It was adapted from the Etruscan alphabet during the 7th century BC. The letters Y and Z were taken from the Greek alphabet to write Greek loan words. Other letters were added from time to time as the Latin alphabet was adapted for other languages.



Here in the character "A" we can see so strange type of "A" that are so frequently presented in the Kinderhook plates. Some also are shown in CARACTORS document, but are rare cases. They are quite like of very ancient Phoenician origin, never of Greek origin. They are the result of the slavery narrated in Joel 3:6, as the Greek used a well done and well shaped "A" character, not these barbarian and brute "A" from the Phoenicians.

One general site on the ETRUSCANS: http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/

Etruscan language --> HAVE A LOOK
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/language.html

GOLD PLATES would look something like this:





The Greek alphabet has been in continuous use for the past 2,750 years or so since about 750 BC. It was developed from the Canaanite/Phoenician alphabet and the order and names of the letters are derived from Phoenician.
At first, there were a number of different versions of the alphabet used in various different Greek cities. These local alphabets, known as epichoric, can be divided into three groups: green, blue and red. The blue group developed into the modern Greek alphabet, while the red group developed into the Etruscan alphabet, other alphabets of ancient Italy and eventually the Latin alphabet.

"A" character uses a "DOT" instead of the horizontal "bar" between two inclined lines. Very typical feature of the "A" characters provided in "CARACTORS" provided by Joseph Smith

These strange shaped A also appears in Kinderhook plates:

and in many other collections of Italic characters of 5 to 7 centuries BC, including for many other type of characters, even those quite strange ones. And that would appear to be very Phoenicians... But Sabellicus were not Greeks. And followed some Hebrew rules, even now they continue to follow. As on doubling characters.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/greek.htm GREEK
ANCIENT GREEK - may have a link with NEPHITIC


http://www.omniglot.com/writing/phoenician.htm

Phoenician/Canaanite
Origins
The Phoenician alphabet developed from the Proto-Canaanite alphabet, during the 15th century BC. Before then the Phoenicians wrote with a cuneiform script. The earliest known inscriptions in the Phoenician alphabet come from Byblos and date back to 1000 BC.
The Phoenician alphabet was perhaps the first alphabetic script to be widely-used - the Phoenicians traded around the Mediterraean and beyond, and set up cities and colonies in parts of southern Europe and North Africa - and the origins of most alphabetic writing systems can be traced back to the Phoenician alphabet, including Greek, Etruscan, Latin, Arabic and Hebrew, as well as the scripts of India and East Asia.
PHOENICIAN ALPHABET



FIRST REFORMED EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE - CHARACTERS:
Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite

The Proto-Sinaitic script was the first alphabetic writing system and developed sometime between about 1900 and 1700 BC. People speaking a Semitic language and living in Egypt and Sinai adapted the Egyptian hieroglyphic or hieratic scripts to write their language using the acrophonic principle. This involved choosing about 30 glyphs, translating their Egyptian names into the Semitic language, and using the initial sounds of those names to represent the sounds of their language.

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/protosinaitc.htm

[_ELYSAB]

You should have in mind that SABELLICUS language came to ITALY by a people that was not GREEK but that came from GREECE. And their language had so many PHOENICIAN aspects and influence and characters that were not present or alive in Greece. They came DIRECTLY from PHOENICIA to the SABELLICUS without becoming Greek... You should remember Joel 3:6 from Bible. Maybe some remember little of Bible: some Mormons reason too much on Mormon Book and forget Bible literature, mainly those related to "minor" prophets like Joel. This is why they don't understand some Characters that are present in CARACTORS.

You should have in mind some old Italic characters that are quite linked to the CARACTERS document, because of the AGE of moist of them and because of their link with ETRUSCAN (not what is available in classic English sites) sites, for the time they were forced to assimilate into Latin



http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/alfa_osco.gif CLICK OVER THIS PREVIOUS URL to see image.

Look at the "STRANGE" V. Just above it has a DOT! The same STRANGE character is also found in the list of CARACTORS: in English

Look also at the "STRANGE" character "A" with a DOT over it. The same STRANGE character is also found on the "A" in the other yellow list above, for so many dialects, at the top of right column. It is reproduced many times on the list of CARACTERS... What do you thinK? They are from the 600 B.C. in CARACTERS list and in OSCO list. OSCO is for those who understand GERMAN LANGUAGE, not ENGLISH...

Thus that such CHARACTERS are more or less from the time when Nephites departed to IRELAND and to USA/CANADA. They departed from ITALIA = ITALY (ITA + LIAh means: ITA + JACOB = ITA + ISRAEL's = land for the DESCENDENTS OF ISRAEL, quite like one hidden kindgom for the ISRAELITES, quite like North America, Nephites Kingdom also was ; quite like the Roman Empire of North America...).



Look at the North of Italy (ITA LIAH), where it is written CELTICO (it is more or less the modern region of the huge town of MILAN). There the CELTS joined with the NEPHIs (according literature, somewhat century VIII BC) and moved to France and crossed the CHANNEL to conquer Great Britain, and some stopped in the Island ADIEW (DIEW), a SABELLICUS name, that many think is ROMAN or French. DIEU is in B.of Mormon and it is a GREEK NAME for a "god" (mytology). In Ireland some descendants are living in a RECTANGLE known as NEPHIN, which means the LIVING PLACE of the NEPHs, next to North Ireland land. Yet some Nephites words remain in use, mixed with English and Celt.

http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/inscr_osco_CipoAbell_pte.jpg

Messages in NEPHITIC had this appearance of Cippus Abellanus.
The translation to Latim, was like this (no english translation...)
Maio Vestricio Mai Sir
ex anterpacto arbitro
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http://members.fortunecity.com/mpdutra/Italia/imagens/tabela_bantina.gif

Other text from the ancient Osco, a language similar to the Nephitic language, from more or less the same time.

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Object like this has been found into Indian Mounds in USA and generally they end in hands of rich Jews that collect them, in N.Y.
Translation to Latin of stone ov IV century BC:
Latin quis es? sum (k�r�) [cuia] baetis Adii Aedini

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iuve�s luvfre�s (a J�piter Liber)



The list of CARACTORS have been translated to modern CARACTORS by the last 10 years, even in Jewish sites and in Yahoo Groups and Geocities: since it became known in Rome that the Nephites and Book of Mormon were originated from Rome. Such information was then, 1998, immediately made available by letter and fax, to friends and LDS authorities of Brazil and USA (in vain). Even thou it became available for general use in WEB in 2004 and in LDS sites, as FAIR, since 2005.

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