Dan Peterson is Something Else

[_Tarski]

Here's how it all happened as I was particularly privy to the whole affair:

1. Yesterday Kevin went off on Dan Peterson and Schryver, out of the blue when speaking of some other political author on this site.

Went off on? Kind of an ill-defined weasel phrase. You mean like people go off on Kevin (without including the substance or refutations)?

2. Zakuska started a thread on MDD putting the Taylor afair into perspective, commenting on the debating that took place way back when, previously alluded to by Kevin.

Put into perspective? More weasel words? Hey, did Taylor lie or not?

3. Kevin responded with some comment claiming the questioning regarding the assassination of Boggs was meant as a harmless question.

Could it be construed as a question? (yes) Was it harmful? In what sense?

4. Stem astutely observed how the questioning way back when sounded much like the question put forth by Gee that Kevin and other critics took much issue with (which I have no problem with)

?? so?

5. Peterson later replied in the thread pointing out that Kevin went off on Peterson, unsolicited, of course, on this board in a thread unrelated to Peterson at all

Do comments about DCP have to be solicited?

and in so doing said Kevin will inevitably refer to those who disagree with him as a liar, blah blah blah (which proved true here for instance).

In fact the statement about Kevin inevitably calling those with whom he disagrees has been proven to be false.
You have it exactly backwards.

6. Kevin demanded proof of Peterson's allegations all the while calling Peterson names just as Peterson says he'd do; thus giving credence to his allegations.

What Kevin does or does not say about DCP gives no credence to the notion that Kevin responds that way with everyone with whom he disagrees. Not true as proved by me.

6. Now we have a bunch of people commenting and complaining about Peterson again over at this site.

Commenting and complaining about Kevin --OK
Commenting and complaining about DCP - not OK
Check! Got it.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Mmm. Notice how often he brings me up on threads that have absolutely nothing to do with me, where I'm not even participating? Notice how I never do the same for him?

LOL!

Mi sono reso conto del fatto che la "MsJack" sia diventata proprio un capolavoro dell’ingannarsi. Lei si è ben provata degna di prendersene il merito, e ne devo concederla il credito dovuto.

Comunque, sebbene l’autore di questo filo voglia che ce lo pensiamo di trattarsene del buon professore, e la sua viltà presunta, io credo che sia perfettamente trasparente che lui se ne preoccupi più della questione: “Condannerà il professore il mio nemico mortale?” Ecco ciò che è, per lui, l’ansia suprema: ridurre al silenzio quella voce che si afflige di più. In praticamente ogni suoi fili recenti, o qui o nell’altro foro, lui si fa sicuro di far menzionare il mio nome, sempre cogli aggettivi che se ne siano adeguati, al pare suo. Sembra che lui (come anche molte altre di voi) sia quasi ossessionato dal bisogno a constringere il buon professore a rinunciarmi, una volta per tutte! Infatti, sono bel persuaso che questa sia stata una delle vostre interesse principali già da molti anni. Vi ho tormentati con le mie parole, e vi sentite costretti a farmene cessare.

Beh, vedremo che cosa accadrà. Ho buona ragione per credere che gli sforzi dispenti qui onde rendermi silenzioso, e tener nascosti i risultati della mia ricerca, si saranno tutti vanitosi ed inutili. In ogni caso, in fin dei conti, non me ne infischierò niente. Nonostante quanto la voleste, non mi potete tenere nel vostro buio. La verità è indubbiamente una scelta, ed io, senza alcun dubbio, so di aver scelta bene.

Drittsekk.

[_Yahoo Bot]

But, "Can someone show me where the apologists have addressed Kevin's argument that John Taylor lied about polygamy?"

Sure. Here's Kevin's moronisims:

Porter Rockwell, the notorious Danite, was arrested and spent eight months in jail on charges of conspiracy to assassinate Boggs.

Forgot to mention he was released for lack of evidence. I guess authorities thought his boasting about the matter wasn't strong enough for a conviction when he was somewhere else.

If Taylor is trying to say Caswall lied about this then it is Taylor who is lying... again.

Here is yet another example of the dunderhead argument that if someone is wrong in an argument, well, they are lying. Especially if they are a high church official. I suppose I'll be called a liar for even making this post as it will be disagreeable to the blockhead king of this Board. Seems to me Taylor was entitled to his opinion.

[_Chap]

Mmm. Notice how often he brings me up on threads that have absolutely nothing to do with me, where I'm not even participating? Notice how I never do the same for him?

LOL!

<snip Italian self-pity and preening ad lib.>

Don't rush to your dictionaries. No, really don't. You've heard it all before.

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Don't rush to your dictionaries. No, really don't. You've heard it all before.

[_Kevin Graham]

Here is more examples of Crockett's failure to understand context:

Forgot to mention he was released for lack of evidence. I guess authorities thought his boasting about the matter wasn't strong enough for a conviction when he was somewhere else.

Bob simply didn't read the thread. If he had, he would have quickly realized the no one was ever arguing that Mormons tried to kill Boggs. The original complaint was by the apologists who implied that the ministers in France were making this up from whole cloth. I drew their attention to the Wasp, which was a Mormon friendly magazine edited by Joseph Smith's brother. The citatiion I provided reported Boggs dead, having successfully been assassinated. It went on to say whoever did it performed a "noble deed." This means Caswall and Bennett weren't making this up. It was something that was reported and passed along via publication shortly after someone shot Boggs in the head. Many historians believe it was Porter Rockwell, but whether he did or not is not germane to the point.

I then mentioned Rockwell's arrest as further evidence that the ministers in France were not making this up. If they were relying on rumor that Boggs was assassinated, then William Smith was instrumental in starting that rumor. That was the extent of my purpose for even mentioning Rockwell. But again, Bob doesn't care about finding out what he is talking about before speaking.

Here is yet another example of the dunderhead argument that if someone is wrong in an argument, well, they are lying

No I take it on a case by case basis. Your entire case against me is precisely the kind of tripe Dan and other apologists rely upon. You cannot deal with how things actually happened. You have to recreate it. You'd get away with it over at MAD, which is why Dan flew over there to launch his attack. But over here there are too many people who have their thinking caps on.

Especially if they are a high church official. I suppose I'll be called a liar for even making this post as it will be disagreeable to the blockhead king of this Board. Seems to me Taylor was entitled to his opinion.

No Bob, failing to understand context of a discussion before going off at the lip doesn't make you a liar. It does make you a careless accuser, however.

by the way, since you have time to defend the indefensible, does this mean you have time to support evidence to back up your initial accusations against me?

Didn't think so.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Mi sono reso conto del fatto che la "MsJack" sia diventata proprio un capolavoro dell’ingannarsi. Lei si è ben provata degna di prendersene il merito, e ne devo concederla il credito dovuto.

Comunque, sebbene l’autore di questo filo voglia che ce lo pensiamo di trattarsene del buon professore, e la sua viltà presunta, io credo che sia perfettamente trasparente che lui se ne preoccupi più della questione: “Condannerà il professore il mio nemico mortale?” Ecco ciò che è, per lui, l’ansia suprema: ridurre al silenzio quella voce che si afflige di più. In praticamente ogni suoi fili recenti, o qui o nell’altro foro, lui si fa sicuro di far menzionare il mio nome, sempre cogli aggettivi che se ne siano adeguati, al pare suo. Sembra che lui (come anche molte altre di voi) sia quasi ossessionato dal bisogno a constringere il buon professore a rinunciarmi, una volta per tutte! Infatti, sono bel persuaso che questa sia stata una delle vostre interesse principali già da molti anni. Vi ho tormentati con le mie parole, e vi sentite costretti a farmene cessare.

Beh, vedremo che cosa accadrà. Ho buona ragione per credere che gli sforzi dispenti qui onde rendermi silenzioso, e tener nascosti i risultati della mia ricerca, si saranno tutti vanitosi ed inutili. In ogni caso, in fin dei conti, non me ne infischierò niente. Nonostante quanto la voleste, non mi potete tenere nel vostro buio. La verità è indubbiamente una scelta, ed io, senza alcun dubbio, so di aver scelta bene.

I’m going to go with the extremely counter intuitive idea that you didn’t write all that out because of your wild insecurities about your lack of a formal higher education (a present from MD&D). That said, what was the purpose writing that in another language?

[_Will Schryver]

<snip Italian self-pity and preening ad lib.>

Don't rush to your dictionaries. No, really don't. You've heard it all before.

LOLouder!

È proprio ovvio che non ne hai capito nulla.

[_Kevin Graham]

I’m going to go with the extremely counter intuitive idea that you didn’t write all that out because of your wild insecurities about your lack of a formal higher education (a present from MD&D). That said, what was the purpose writing that in another language?

Are you kidding? You haven't heard Will boast about how well he picked up Italian while on his mission? He used to share stories about how the people there mistook him for a native, his dialect was so perfect.

If I only had a nickel for every time I heard an RM say that...

[_schreech]

I’m going to go with the extremely counter intuitive idea that you didn’t write all that out because of your wild insecurities about your lack of a formal higher education (a present from MD&D). That said, what was the purpose writing that in another language?

Because he just discovered google translate and thought it would be really cleaver to do something that rest of us found divertente years ago?....In other words, he's old, out of touch and not particularly inventive...