Reformed Egyptian = Latin Short Hand?

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[_ELYSAB]

Dear DrW.
I am much more than 20 web-persons... I have so many pen names in web, since long time ago. For example, for Jews one of my names is ELIJAH or EL-IJAH and for Islam, ALIJAH or AL-IJAH or ALL-IJAH, etc. Even for posting in FAIR website, I used so many pen names, that maybe I was discussing with I myself under distinct names... Proper pen names avoid religious and cultural/linguistic/political barriers, for example. Thus it is natural that in search web devices I am found in a contradictory thread way. My sister married a Muslim man... My niece is married an Irish man who lives in USA. My other sister has Italian citizenship and lives in England where is married with a Scotland man and they have a child... Other niece married there an England and they have a child... Small world.

Sabellian was the generic name of Ancient inhabitant of Italy, excluding those of Greek and Phoenician colonies, speaking some type of language originated (corrupted) from Greece (and some Phoenicia).

I knew the Nephitic and Ancient Sabellicus, of many centuries BC, were the same language, in a "family revelation" that took place in the Hotel that I was in Rome, in 1998. As if blindness fell from my eyes and I started to see they were the same language. And in my joy I asked to the Hotel send fax (email?) to some important persons of the Church informing them about so important discovery. Also I made a very detailed report telling what was discovered and how...

Knowing such information, it was possible to determine the pathway of Nephites from nearby Rome (Orvieto?) to Africa Coast, not going South (there were hostile Greek and Phoenician colonies) by through Sardinia island and coasting. At the Africa Coast they coasted up to the point the Nile River discharge into Mediterranean Sea. Nephites moved upstream... It was EASY to find the town NEFICH (it is in language of NEPHI, without PH, but "F" on the map), which means NEFI+CH, "property of NEFI, town for the NEPHITES". It survived and now it is NAFIAHSH, in Arab, a suburb of ISHMAILIAH big town of Egypt). From there they moved to Jerusalem... I wrote a report on that in FAIR in 2005... And many other sites, as in YAHOO.

I also made many posts about HAGOTh, which name in Nefitich = Sabellich is RAGGOTTI, because of the rule of doubling consonants (it came from old Hebrew... and was introduced into Sabellicus, Joel 3:6).

MY THREAD----> I guess in FAIR. Another TBM, with the screen name of Not Hagoth 7, also claimed Nephites were found in Ireland on that thread.

Is it your contention that the Nephites left for the New World from the Italian Peninsula? YES TRUE. EXAMINE "FAIR, 2005" and Jews sites.
This is only a preliminary search of sites in FAIR: many names used...

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3231&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3254&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3256&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3261&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3249&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=3237&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2756&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2671&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2541&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2708&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2665&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2668&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2666&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2689&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2622&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2685&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2504&highlight=savelli

http://ldsfriends.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=2689&highlight=celsoely Possibly many sites are not included in list.

The above list is only a SUGGESTION. Probably many sites are not updated and thus are of little value. Thus don't waste time with them.

What specifically is the connection of the Nephites to Ireland in your view? One group of SABELLIS, quite like a "sub-group" named NEPH people, split in two. One moved North, toward the region of the huge town of Italy named MILAN. There they joined the CELTS (see map on previous posting). And then they started a huge RIOT through Europe. One Group of CELTS, with such group of SABELLI (NEPH), went to FRANCE, and crossed the CHANNEL (where it is the island named DIEU, or ADIEU, a Greek name for a Mythological GOD) to conquer Great Britain. Due some unknown reason, the group of NEPH (Sabellians) decided to gather in the north of Ireland, where they live since thousand years, being limited by the 4 tallest peaks of Ireland, named NEPHIN = NEPH + IN, which is IN + NEPH in Nephitic language, thus IN = LIVING PLACE of NEPH. Thus the NEPHITES are living in the NEPHIN land, limited by the 4 NEPHIN peaks.

The other group of NEPH, other family group, decided to go to opposite direction, toward the AFRICA COAST and to EGYPT, to become RICH there, making the construction of a great navigation channel to the king Pharaoh NECHOH II. Who in payment gave them 2 great irrigated lands between the Bitter Lake and Red Sea: see map. There NEPH learned to build great sail ship and navigate with them, with Greek and also with Phoenician technology, as such 2 factories were nearby...

Was there a city named Nehom in the ancient Roman Empire between Jerusalem and Rome? THE NAME OF THE TOWN WAS and YET IS "NEFICH". You can go there, visit it or see TURISTIC SITES OF IT... Even you can see it by SATELITE with very huge enlargement of image. LDS never found it because they were searching for Hebrew...

I found the harbor from where Nephites departed to USA. The place has a Nephitic name, just easy to identify as a corruption from Book of Mormon (Mosiah... thus Mosiah might has come a name that was known from the boarding place... on USA Navy map) and was good mapped (high precision) by the US NAVY with such names and you can see the "Lord Mountain" on there. They didn't know: fly over it. Plenty of ore of metals mined since very ancient days: ground surface.


This superimposition takes place at the beginning of the list of CARACTORS. From the first line (on top), from the left to the right. I was able to solve this puzzle some 10 years ago. Notice that we don't have an ABSURD character that does not exist in SABELLICUS (Ancient Italian language). But it is just to pay attention, and we can separate a small character "k", on left, then the character "N" (between a character "k" and the other big character "K" on right), and going below N we have a separation with other character that is "Í" or II (in English...). Between characters "39" and "40" we have a horizontal "bar" that means a separation between two distinct gold plates. Thus what comes from the right (as character "40") is already from "other Gold Plate"). I ALREADY PROVIDED A TRANSLATION ON WORDS THAT WAS WRITTEN ON CHARACTERS LIST. It is very easy to see where such WORDS are written. Just be "smart" and "be clever"...

It is important to understand these aspects to translate the KINDERHOOH plates, because they use the information that is in CARACTORS and more. In CARACTORS you can find CHARACTERS that are PLAIN "GREEK CHARACTERS", never Italian Characters. That is because of Joel 3:6. Also you can find PLAIN "PHOENICIAN" characters because of the same reason.

That is much more important when dealing with KINDERHOOK, because here Joseph Smith was not SELECTING the CHARACTERS to be easier. And in some case we could consider them as being used for sending information that was put in a way requiring good knowledge of Nephitic (Sabellicus) language quite like to unveil (decipher) the cryptographed message. Instead of characters being separated, as usual, they were GATHERED, as at the start of the list CARACTORS. And for that it was used mainly the CARACTOR "I" placed in several positions, not "in line", and the characters were put to "rotate". But we can notice, because of the CHARACTERS used, that the difference of dates between CARACTORS and KINDERHOOK, is not so great.

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The same, reduced. Notice the comparison of the "A" from the list of CARACTORS (almost all, except one, are triangles with a DOT inside) with the "A" from the Kinderhook, which is typically Phoenician, BUT there are some "A" that are very ITALIC). Notice the rotation.

One word written in the list of CARACTORS. It is written ITI.

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You can see the translation of each character of the plate 1, face 1, of the Kinderhook plate. There are the MAIN CHARACTERS that are easy to see. Then we have quite like "hidden" characters, usually vowels ("I" is the case) that can be free or can be "glued" on some point of the main characters, making them very difficult to recognize (cryptography). But we have here quite didactic book teaching how to use such "feature", as comparing "S" with and without use of "I". And also to make things difficult characters are rotated. It is what we have to access some computer sites that we have to recognize characters that are rotated and even some "dumb" letters are added. You must "reason" about what is the character, even rotated, and with lines crossing them or touching them/ending at them, to separate what is the true character and what is the false one. In this way it was suggested in web what was written on such plate.

Quite like in old days, a "signal" was provided to know when a word had finished. Thus you stop reading the characters at that point to generate a word. See how they could read words in written Sabellicus in very ancient time?

[_ELYSAB]

IT IS AMAZING what causes the lack of proper INFORMATION on the development of LANGUAGES and their CHARACTERS!

For sure LATIN and languages that originated from Latin are languages that are originated from the EGIPTIAN REFORMED language, SINAITIC LANGUAGE. I stressed such information here, providing sites on that. It is a great ignorance not knows that Hebrew and Phoenician, among so many others, are just originated (successors) from EGIPTIAN REFORMED languages.

Also the GREEK is an EGIPTIAN REFORMED language, as it is originated from PHOENICIAN language that is originated from Egyptian Reformed language and characters.

Also ancient ETRUSCAN ()
And the ANCIENT ITALIAN LANGUAGES, as Ancient Latin (),
Osco, Sabina, Sabina Tiberina, Adriatica (), Etruria, Campania, Osca, Samnio, Umbro, Piceno, etc., and also,
Classic and modern Latin,
And also MODERN LATIN derived LANGUAGES (Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, etc.)...
They have as basic origin the EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE.

Also we have so great influence of EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE in ENGLISH and GERMANIC languages and in Russian... Thus, basically the European languages and characters are originated from EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE, using quite "compact" letters (characters) for communication/storage of ideas, instead of the long space required for the Egyptian hieroglyphs. That is what is told in Book of Mormon.

Thus it is NATURAL that where in MEDIEVAL EUROPE it was being used some type of LATIN, it was being used also some descendant of the EGYPTIAN REFORMED LANGUAGE and ORIGINAL CHARACTERS, having in them some of what was remaining of PHOENICIAN and GREEK and of ETRUSCAN, because they were in the "backbones" of LATIN. In fact they remain in some grammar, words and characters even of English... Why some consonants are made DOUBLED when between two vowels? Or vowels sound? The answer comes from the Sabellicus (and Nefiticus in it...). Or from the merger of Ancient Greek, Phoenician and Hebrew in Greece: Joel 3:6, slavery period. Some Sabelli, instead of stay in Greece or move to Italia, moved toward Persian Empire (as Saber/Saberi people), to India and to China/Japan/Korea (for trade)...

Notice that the FIRST LANGUAGE was EGYPTIAN. And it was REFORMED first into a SEMITIC LANGUAGE. The PROTO-SINAITIC.
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http://www.omniglot.com/writing/protosinaitc.htm[/url]

Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite

The Proto-Sinaitic script was the first alphabetic writing system and developed sometime between about 1900 and 1700 BC. People speaking a Semitic language and living in Egypt and Sinai adapted the Egyptian hieroglyphic or hieratic scripts to write their language using the acrophonic principle. This involved choosing about 30 glyphs, translating their Egyptian names into the Semitic language, and using the initial sounds of those names to represent the sounds of their language.
The script was partially deciphered by Alan Gardiner in 1916.

Proto-Canaanite is a name used for a version of the Proto-Sinaitic script as used in Canaan, an area encompassing modern Lebanon, Israel, Palestine and western parts of Syria. It is also used to refer to an early version of the Phoenician script as used before 1050 BC, or an ancestor of the Phoenician script. --->

---->PHOENICIAN (and Hebrew) AS THE NEXT STAGE OF REFORMED EGYPTIAN. NEXT CAME THE GREEK LANGUAGE. NEXT CAME THE NEPHITIC LANGUAGE AND SABELLICUS. NEXT CAME THE LATIN AND LATIN LANGUAGES (including influences in languages like English, Russian, and many others...).

A small number of Proto-Canaanite inscriptions dated to the 17th century BC have been found in Canaan. Most are short and were probably written by Semitic-speaking travelers or soldiers from Egypt.

Proto-Sinaitic / Proto-Canaanite script---->
---> FIRST REFORMED EGYPTIAN LANGUAGE <------
This is one version of the Proto-Canaanite script using Phoenician/Hebrew alphabetical order. The actual arrangement of letters used is uncertain. Most letters have more than one shape.



A sample of a very old script in REFORMED EGYPTIAN is provided next, and is of 1,500 years B.C. From Serabit el-Khadim, Sinai Pennisula





After making a search in the WEB, I found one solution and much more:

http://www.omniglot.com/writing/etruscan.htm
Etruscan alphabet

The Etruscan alphabet developed from a Western variety of the Greek alphabet brought to Italy by Euboean Greeks. The earliest known inscription dates from the middle of the 6th century BC. Most Etruscan inscriptions are written in horizontal lines from right to left, but some are boustrophedon (running alternately left to right then right to left).

More than 10,000 Etruscan inscriptions have been found on tombstones, vases, statues, mirrors and jewellery. Fragments of an Etruscan book made of linen have also been found. Etruscan texts can be read: i.e. the pronunciation of the letters is known, though scholars are not sure what all the words mean.

Archaic Etruscan alphabet (7th-5th centuries BC)

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This collection of characters is reading toward the LEFT. Look at the L.

Sample text in Etruscan
(Texts of Book of Mormon on GOLD PLATES had this APPEARANCE):

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NOTICE that in the document CARACTORS it is missing the use of "DOTs" (points) to separate the WORDS. We can explain that because the document CARACTORS was not to present WORDS "but" CHARACTERS (the document is on "CARACTORS", not on TEXT, on WORDS). And thus instead of using DOTS, they were replaced by SPACES in BLANK.

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/tombs.html

See the very ancient TOMBS in Italy, of the Sabellicus (Etruscs?), quite like the origin of the INDIAN MOUNDS found in USA for BURIALS.