EAllusion wrote:The reason we do controlled experimentation with things like dowsing is because it is statistically inevitable that people will have "disquieting experiences" with it on occasion.
I've heard of this here experimentation thang. Is it connected with what them intellekchul fellers call "science"?
Daniel Peterson wrote:I've heard of this here experimentation thang. Is it connected with what them intellekchul fellers call "science"?
I know ESP isn't fashionable among defenders of the so-called scientific orthodoxy. But I once had a dream and it, like, came true. Very disquieting. I'm all disquieted over here.
Daniel Peterson wrote:Perhaps you believe in pretending you didn't have the experiences you've had when they seem to clash with conventional ideas or might draw mockery from people you wish to curry favor with, but I don't.
That makes you a leader rather than a politician, (although that might not always be advantageous at BYU). Ray Agostini freely admits his thoughts about UFOs and I see that making him a better man as well. Slipping the bounds of consensus wisdom can be good for us.
Daniel Peterson wrote:I know ESP isn't fashionable among defenders of the so-called scientific orthodoxy. But I once had a dream and it, like, came true. Very disquieting. I'm all disquieted over here.
Apples and oranges, EIllusion.
But I understand your view of science a bit better now: If you have a perception or an experience that seems anomalous or that is inconsistent with received wisdom, suppress it. Pretend it didn't happen. That's the scientific method! That's the way we make progress!
Daniel Peterson wrote: But I understand your view of science a bit better now: If you have a perception or an experience that seems anomalous or that is inconsistent with received wisdom, suppress it. Pretend it didn't happen. That's the scientific method! That's the way we make progress!
I'm hurt by this. I'm like you. I'm spooked by perfectly ordinary experiences that have historically fooled people into believing in long-discredited ideas. I do my best to imply there may be something to them while making sure I don't endorse anything or try to appreciate what happened in the greater context of academic inquiry. Now, granted, I don't have any experience with dowsing, but I have had some interesting experiences that have me taking another look at the possibility of ghosts living in my mirror. Maybe we can present posters together at a suitable conference.
Don't even publicly suggest that you might be entertaining the possibility of reflecting on anything that would even come close to departing from consensus wisdom.
If you have even the slightest inclination toward a heterodox thought, deny it!
If you've ever had an experience that seems anomalous, pretend it didn't happen!
And, for heaven's sake, never ever publicly mention that you had it!
It's not enough to refrain from drawing any big conclusions based on your experience. You must not mention it! Not at all!
Follow consensus! Follow consensus! In this there is safety. In this there is peace.
Daniel Peterson wrote:Incidentally, I have no actual "belief" in the art of "dowsing." I simply had a disquieting experience with it once.
I'm still not quite sure what to make of that experience. It didn't fit my worldview. But I'm not going to lie in order to curry favor with people like you, and act as if it didn't happen.
Perhaps you believe in pretending you didn't have the experiences you've had when they seem to clash with conventional ideas or might draw mockery from people you wish to curry favor with, but I don't. I try to understand them, but I don't pretend that they didn't occur.
Great. Do you now have a better understanding of what happened then? Also, do you hold open the possibility of dowsing as a reliable means for locating buried treasure?
Not as good as Fallout 3, but Fallout 3 had such a rich area with so many well known monuments to build on in the larger Washington D.C. area. I think the overall story was better. New Vegas has some interesting things and the final showdown is more nuanced, but the town/gang popularity doesn't work as well for me as the good/evil rating in F3. Fallout New Vegas has a better sound track, the writers seem to be more self aware about putting western music into it (although how could they fail to put Viva Las Vegas by Elvis in the game? At this point I'd say it's worth whatever it's selling for (probably 30$ or so after being out a year) or on the secondary market. It still has tons of gameplay, tons of side missions and a huge area to discover just like F3.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07
MASH quotes I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it. I avoid church religiously. This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.