RfM--why it's a useless site. (Simon will love this!)

[_why me]

Dear, I was married in the temple. I know what it's like. I said that earlier in the thread. You keep explaining your point of view as if I don't understand. I do understand, I just think you're wrong and I have given good reasons already to support my position. What you have restated here, I have already addressed earlier in the thread. You are just running around in circles-- ignoring responses in favor of restating the comment the response was directed at.

There's nothing wrong with my porn thread over at RfM. I posted it there because I know some of those people. I'm new to this board, so I'm not going to start threads until I get a better feel for it.

I see you can leave RfM, but you can't leave it alone, can you? It must be the one true message board. LOL.

Actually, I was serious about your porn thread coming here. Over on RFM you got standard responses about the LDS church and standard negativism. Here, you may get some dialogue. Also, you had a good OP.

I knew you were married from that OP. Here is what I think that the church can do about the temple wedding problem and it wouldn't cost them too much. Allow members to marry in the chapel especially if their families are not members and then marry in the temple as soon as possible. Now it takes a year. I think that this would be the best solution. But we also need to remember that many relatives who are members can not see the temple ceremony either because there is no room in the sealing room and they do not have a temple recommend because of age. So, they remain outside with young family members. It is more Mormon culture than anything else. People know the process and so, members don't scream and holler about it until they find themselves not believing anymore in the LDS church.

Over on RFM, one can not have a dialogue. If i would say would I just said now on RFM, I would be shown the door. I haven't been there in years but this thread reminded me about it and I decided to check it out again for this thread. I was not impressed with their lack of dialogue.

[_angsty]

I knew you were married from that OP.

Then why did you continue to educate me on the temple policy and experience when it follow from the fact that I was married in the temple that I am well-aware of such details?

Here is what I think that the church can do about the temple wedding problem and it wouldn't cost them too much. Allow members to marry in the chapel especially if their families are not members and then marry in the temple as soon as possible. Now it takes a year. I think that this would be the best solution.

What a great idea! Wait, it sounds familiar. Oh, because that's exactly what I suggested in an earlier post (Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:17 pm) in response to your question posed about what my solution to the issue would be. I'm glad we agree.

But we also need to remember that many relatives who are members can not see the temple ceremony either because there is no room in the sealing room and they do not have a temple recommend because of age. So, they remain outside with young family members. It is more Mormon culture than anything else. People know the process and so, members don't scream and holler about it until they find themselves not believing anymore in the LDS church.

First of all, some members ARE bothered by it long before they leave the church. I was bothered by it. It bothered my parents. I think most couples who are getting married in the temple feel an ache when that decision excludes people they care about.

Believing members don't 'scream and holler' about it because they are believing members, have a reverence for priesthood authority, and don't feel entitled to criticize. Liberated ex-Mormons no longer have that obligation. Additionally, this dynamic of exclusion is the norm within Mormon culture. When a former member leaves the church and experiences life outside the constraints of Mormon policy, they generally form new perspectives on many issues-- that's to be expected. Outside the church, excluding parents, children and friends from a wedding ceremony is not common and often means there's estrangement.

Over on RFM, one can not have a dialogue. If i would say would I just said now on RFM, I would be shown the door. I haven't been there in years but this thread reminded me about it and I decided to check it out again for this thread. I was not impressed with their lack of dialogue.

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Well, I'm not sure how you can generalize authoritatively about a board you hardly ever visit. There's plenty of dialogue there. It's just doesn't meet your standards, and judging by the way you have run around in circles in this thread, I don't think that's something to be concerned about. You seem like you mean well, but have a confusing method for someone who has such a keen appreciation for "dialogue".

[_why me]

Well, I'm not sure how you can generalize authoritatively about a board you hardly ever visit. There's plenty of dialogue there. It's just doesn't meet your standards, and judging by the way you have run around in circles in this thread, I don't think that's something to be concerned about. You seem like you mean well, but have a confusing method for someone who has such a keen appreciation for "dialogue".

Actually here it is in a nutshell: people who leave the church should stop whinning about it. For many of these people, when they were members they were happy and fine with the rules. Second, the Mormons have their own way of marrying and the temple is important for that process. Not everyone can go and see the ceremony because there is no room. It just doesn't affect non-members but also members as I have shown in the video. Third, a ring ceremony can do wonders and make the event even more meaningful for those members and nonmembers who missed the 5 minute ceremony. The couple have complete control about how they wish to do the ring ceremony. Fourth, a couple can get married in the chapel and wait a year to get married in the temple. Fifth, the church can change its policy and allow people to marry in the chapel and then marry in the temple as soon as possible. Most likely this is not very popular because couples may stop at a chapel wedding and not bother with a sealing.

This is the nutshell. Welcome to the board. You have learned how to be insulting, something exmos become experts on. Now you can go back home to the board that allows no dialogue from members so that to protect the minds of exmembers.

[_jon]

Actually here it is in a nutshell: people who leave the church should stop whinning about it.

Why? Is there no longer freedom of speech?

Would you also make the point that people who join the Church should resist telling non members about it?

[_marg]

Now you can go back home to the board that allows no dialogue from members so that to protect the minds of exmembers.

The pleasure I get from reading the RFM board from time to time is that everyone there seems so level headed and sane. And actually they also seem all so intelligent.

Thank goodness they don't tolerate Mormonism being preached there.

[_why me]

Now you can go back home to the board that allows no dialogue from members so that to protect the minds of exmembers.

The pleasure I get from reading the RFM board from time to time is that everyone there seems so level headed and sane. And actually they also seem all so intelligent.

Thank goodness they don't tolerate Mormonism being preached there.

Except when someone disagrees and writes a positive about the LDS church. The level heads disappear. To write something positive about the LDS church is not preaching about Mormonism. And if one disagrees with a negative it is not preaching about momronism either. RFM seems like a cult board where all must agree with the bonafide cult members to protect them from alien ideas.

[_why me]

Actually here it is in a nutshell: people who leave the church should stop whinning about it.

Why? Is there no longer freedom of speech?

Would you also make the point that people who join the Church should resist telling non members about it?

Sure. There is freedom of speech but not on exmormon boards. Whinning is different than discussing.

[_jon]

Sure. There is freedom of speech but not on exmormon boards. Whinning is different than discussing.

Is there freedom of speech on pro Mormon boards? Comment sections of Mormon owned 'public' news operations? Church meetings and lessons?

[_Chap]

If people must quote whyme, thus sneaking him under my 'ignore' radar, please could they edit his spelling a bit when they do so?

That will make all that droolingly repetitive stuff just slightly less irritating, and every little helps.

"Whinning" => "whining"

[_why me]

"Whinning" => "whining"

sorry chap. But I usually write in a hurry. You would be surprised what I do catch when I am editing my comments.