why me wrote:Or should it voluntary in the LDS church.
That's not a question I have much interest in, but voluntary lay ordination seems to be working out for the Community of Christ.
You are correct though, you aren't just dealing with women, you're dealing with girls. My adventurous, wild-hearted daughter is one of those girls. And you'd be surprised how many little girls perceive inequality at church and are not okay with it.
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Girls are usually perceiving inequality between them and boys regardless of the circumstances. And boys are usaully perceiving stupidity in girls. It is a right of passage.
Are boys equal with girls in the LDS church?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
MsJack wrote:Darth J is saying that valuing someone and treating her as your equal are two very different things. To use a different example, I most definitely value my five year-old daughter---but she sure as hell isn't my equal.
DarthJ was trying to be funny. He is equating Mormon women with livestock. Of which I see no comparison.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Buffalo wrote:Why is that? Wasn't slavery limited to Africans and their decedents in this country? Wasn't it all based on racism?
no. Slavery has been, pretty much, a world wide problem. Racism too. But rest assured they are two different things. If you didn't realize that, just think that racism continues to persist even without slavery. It happens. Slavery can also occur without racism.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
consiglieri wrote:This discussion about my suggested equation of slavery with denying women the priesthood is a bit troubling.
It seems Buffalo is correct that this is a difference in degree, not in kind.
Denying freedom to a certain group because of their ancestry (and the color of their skin) is not a completely different "kind" of act than denying the rights of the priesthood to a certain group because of their gender.
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--Consiglieri
Well, that's too bad you can't see that it is a disastrous disrespect for the negative effects of slavery. To equate the two is absurd. And rest assured, slavery is a much different kind than racism. I'm sad that you are so eloquently denying such. But since you'll deny such disrespect till you're blue in the face, there's not much more for me to say. I'm just severly disappointed by one who presumes to be so enlightened. Oh well.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
why me wrote:Girls are usually perceiving inequality between them and boys regardless of the circumstances.
Not true. Haven't heard a word from the girls in my church about things not being equal. They don't have to ask questions like "Why do only boys get to serve communion?" because female members serve it as often as male members do.
why me wrote:And boys are usaully perceiving stupidity in girls. It is a right of passage.
Um, okay.
why me wrote:Are boys equal with girls in the LDS church?
No.
why me wrote:DarthJ was trying to be funny.
Darth J never tries to be funny. He simply is funny.
"It seems to me that these women were the head (κεφάλαιον) of the church which was at Philippi." ~ John Chrysostom, Homilies on Philippians 13
why me wrote:Okay lets come together in one big prayer group to pray to heavenly father that he would allow women to hold the priesthood. Consig and just me would you both like to lead us in prayer? Lets all ask heavenly father if he can do this for all the women out there in the LDS church who wish to have the priesthood.
We seem to forget who Mormons claim leads the church.
Quit being an ass and trivializing something you clearly have no understanding of.
In my opinion, there is one reason women do not hold the priesthood in the Church, and his name is Brigham Young. He allowed his racism and his sexism to interfere with Joseph Smith's vision for who should hold the priesthood and how. In 1978, the racism issue was finally overturned, and blacks were given the priesthood. The same will happen for women. The Relief Society was originally created as a stand alone organization for the women of the Church, meant to be on equal footing with the Priesthood. Brigham Young reestablished the Relief Society as an auxiliary after the Saints' exodus to Utah. He had to be prodded to even reestablish the Relief Society at all.
Maybe if women had the priesthood they would quickly realize it doesn't give you magic powers. I know many LDS women who think their husbands have mystical magic powers. Maybe the leaders want the women to keep believing this.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
DarkHelmet wrote:Maybe if women had the priesthood they would quickly realize it doesn't give you magic powers. I know many LDS women who think their husbands have mystical magic powers. Maybe the leaders want the women to keep believing this.
Is that why so many males just keep on believing in the priesthood too?
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
DarkHelmet wrote:Maybe if women had the priesthood they would quickly realize it doesn't give you magic powers. I know many LDS women who think their husbands have mystical magic powers. Maybe the leaders want the women to keep believing this.
Is that why so many males just keep on believing in the priesthood too?
Yes
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775