Something Troubling in Sunday School

[_consiglieri]

What are the odds we'll hear something similiar, if not exactly the same, at GC in a few weeks?

I remember being surprised to hear a GA last conference in April talk about a Relief Society President receiving revelation for the men in the ward and sharing it at a ward council, only to have the bishop follow her inspired counsel.

I am hoping for something this conference that will build on that concept.

What I think more likely is that the GA who gave that talk (Cook?) has had a private talking-to, and there will be at least one talk this conference that will attempt to clarify any "misimpressions" he left last time.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Yoda]

Again, your ignorance is showing. Boys receive the Aaronic Priesthood at 12, not 11.

And yes, it should be the same for both.

Okay liz, now please don't forget to respond in the same way when one of your board friends makes a mistake in their facts.

Tonight pray to heavenly father about it. He listens to prayers. It will be up to him, right?

When you quit attacking my board friends and trivializing their knowledge of Church policy and the gospel, while claiming a superior knowledge yourself, all while not "walking the walk", then we can talk about being treated what you consider to be fair.

[_consiglieri]

OMG, and imagine what it would be like to spread out all that burden among more people!!! Imagine what it would be like for a sister to be able to get her temple recommend interview from another woman!!! Imagine what it would be like for a mother and father to place their hands upon the head of their child and pronounce a blessing. Imagine what it would be like for a single mother to have the power of the priesthood in her home! Imagine for just one minute what that would be like.

And that is just talking about the "power" part of the priesthood. The "authority" part would allow women to preside in Church. After correlation, women can "preside" over Relief Society and Primary, but really they are just subordinates to the bishop who is the one doing the real presiding.

Mormon men often marvel at how it is Relief Society seems to manage to do more than the priesthood quorums, at least on the local level.

But the Mormon system sets this up by giving men the sole obligation to do the presiding while simultaneously saying men are the ones who should be out earning a living to support their family so the woman can stay at home and raise the family.

Is it surprising that women are in a position to do more "church work" than men? Especially after the children are older?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

In Joseph Smith's time, women gave blessings to the sick. Also, the Relief Society was on a much more equal footing with the priesthood than it is today. Emma was ordained to the office of Relief Society President...not merely set apart. There is a difference. Joseph's vision of women and the priesthood role differed from Brigham Young's.

Many New Testament scholars see a similar thing happening in the primitive Christian Church; that Paul (of all people) seems to have held a high regard for women (in whose homes he frequently established his churches).

Paul says many things in support of giving women equal authority and function.

And yet "Paul" says many things that sound the opposite, such as women keeping silent in church.

Scholars I have read typically understand these latter expressions to have been written by someone after Paul and inserted into his writings, or coming up with entirely new epistles in Paul's name (such as Titus and the Timothies) which reflect a post-Pauline crackdown on the role of women in the Church.

Especially interesting to me is First Corinthians which says both positive things about women, allowing them to prophesy in church, only to be followed by the comment that women are to remain silent.

One wonders how they would manage to do both.

It is interesting that in this regard, as in so many others, Mormonism seems to track early Christianity . . . for good and ill.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

What age should girls get the priesthood?

Girls should get the priesthood two years later than boys so as to always keep fresh in their minds their subservience.



Sort of like missions.



All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

I think that Mormon cows are dominating Mormon bulls all the time. Haven't you noticed? No cow or bull on the farm is thinking about the farmer.

The cows are smarter than you think.





So are some of the bulls. ;^)



But actually, this brings up another interesting phenomenon in Mormonism. Women are not allowed the Priesthood, and yet the culture often seems to allow for (and even applaud) their dominating men.

This is strange because the actual doctrines of the Church teach that men holding the priesthood are to preside in their homes.

I think this may be another subconscious attempt to equal the scales.

Is it possible that if men and women were simply treated equally before God (as the Book of Mormon teaches), we wouldn't have all these other attempts to balance the scales by making women superior to men?

In other words, I think that the first inequality simply leads to more inequality.

Perhaps starting with equality will lead only to more equality.

If you start right, it is an easy matter to stay right.
If you start wrong, it is a hard matter to get right again.



All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

Okay lets come together in one big prayer group to pray to heavenly father that he would allow women to hold the priesthood. Consig and just me would you both like to lead us in prayer? Lets all ask heavenly father if he can do this for all the women out there in the LDS church who wish to have the priesthood.

Why are you shouting?

I would be honored to lead a prayer with Just Me.

But why do you think we would be praying to Heavenly Father?


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

DarthJ was trying to be funny. He is equating Mormon women with livestock. Of which I see no comparison.

Actually DarthJ is showing how your view of Mormon women treats them as livestock.

Let's not try to be dense, shall we?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

Slavery can also occur without racism.

I think that's what this thread is about . . .

[_consiglieri]

Well, that's too bad you can't see that it is a disastrous disrespect for the negative effects of slavery. To equate the two is absurd. And rest assured, slavery is a much different kind than racism. I'm sad that you are so eloquently denying such. But since you'll deny such disrespect till you're blue in the face, there's not much more for me to say. I'm just severly disappointed by one who presumes to be so enlightened. Oh well.

And I am disappointed you cannot see that saying two things are of the same "kind" is distinguishable from equating them.

Three and sixty-seven are both numbers.

But they are not equal.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri