consiglieri wrote:I think that's what this thread is about . . .
Oh brother. Women are slaves in the LDS Church? Man, I'm with ya that women don't have equal footing, and should be given far more respect ahd responsibility, but this is just absurd. Ah well...the absurd comes up freqently in these parts.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
DarkHelmet wrote:So if you can't have the priesthood because you get to be a mother instead, what happens when you can't have kids, or nobody marries you? Do they just pat you on the head and say you are a sweet spirit who will get to be mother in the next life? Probably not because that just sounds stupid.
“There is no Latter day Saint who dies after having lived a faithful life who will lose anything because of having failed to do certain things when opportunities were not furnished him or her. In other words, if a young man or a young woman has no opportunity of getting married, and they live faithful lives up to the time of their death, they will have all the blessings, exaltation, and glory that any man or woman will have who had this opportunity and improved it. That is sure and positive.”
consiglieri wrote:And I am disappointed you cannot see that saying two things are of the same "kind" is distinguishable from equating them.
Three and sixty-seven are both numbers.
But they are not equal.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
I'm disappointed you think I cannot see that. I'm not the one who is saying sexism and slavery are the same kind. That is what you are doing, remember?
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
consiglieri wrote: But actually, this brings up another interesting phenomenon in Mormonism. Women are not allowed the Priesthood, and yet the culture often seems to allow for (and even applaud) their dominating men.
This is strange because the actual doctrines of the Church teach that men holding the priesthood are to preside in their homes.
I think this may be another subconscious attempt to equal the scales.
Is it possible that if men and women were simply treated equally before God (as the Book of Mormon teaches), we wouldn't have all these other attempts to balance the scales by making women superior to men?
In other words, I think that the first inequality simply leads to more inequality.
Perhaps starting with equality will lead only to more equality.
The LDS attempt to make men and women equal strikes me as similar to burning fish sticks on the outside, leaving them frozen in the middle and saying, "There we go... that evens it out."
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
why me wrote: And what about Mormon girls? Would they want to the priesthood too? Should they also be allowed to have the priesthood or is this just a woman thing? Mormon boys get the priesthood at 11. What age should girls get the priesthood?
I think you'll find it's at age 12, WhyMe. Are you sure you ever attended an LDS church? You know, the cookie cutter buildings with no cross on the steeple? Perhaps you attended some other church unwittingly?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
MsJack wrote:Darth J is saying that valuing someone and treating her as your equal are two very different things. To use a different example, I most definitely value my five year-old daughter---but she sure as hell isn't my equal.
DarthJ was trying to be funny. He is equating Mormon women with livestock. Of which I see no comparison.
Read D&C 132. You'll find that women are, per official doctrine, mere property.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
stemelbow wrote:I'm disappointed you think I cannot see that. I'm not the one who is saying sexism and slavery are the same kind. That is what you are doing, remember?
Does the one word "discrimination" not describe both sexism and slavery?
If one word can describe them both, how can they not be of the same kind?
Disappointedly yours,
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
consiglieri wrote:This is strange because the actual doctrines of the Church teach that men holding the priesthood are to preside in their homes.
If you want to get technical, presiding in the home is not based on holding the priesthood. It's based on maleness.
If priesthood were a requirement, the church would have to say that non-LDS husbands (who don't hold the priesthood any more than women do) do not preside in their homes.
"It seems to me that these women were the head (κεφάλαιον) of the church which was at Philippi." ~ John Chrysostom, Homilies on Philippians 13
Buffalo wrote:Why is that? Wasn't slavery limited to Africans and their decedents in this country? Wasn't it all based on racism?
no. Slavery has been, pretty much, a world wide problem. Racism too. But rest assured they are two different things. If you didn't realize that, just think that racism continues to persist even without slavery. It happens. Slavery can also occur without racism.
Let's try to focus. We're talking about American slavery. You're saying it's unconnected to racism?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.