My close encounter with Elder Bednar

[_bcspace]

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Corinthians 6:2

Judgment day hasn't come, and you won't be among the saints. You just forfeited your place. Yahweh has no choice but to judge you as harshly as you judged Shades.

Sorry bc.

Read the verse and weep. The judging starts now.

Is there any way we could do without the repugnant judgmentalism?

Methinks perhaps you're a little devoid of humor. But yes, I truly believe that and it's the duty of all men to judge where certain acts, words, and thoughts will lead and point out the examples.

[_Yoda]

Methinks perhaps you're a little devoid of humor. But yes, I truly believe that and it's the duty of all men to judge where certain acts, words, and thoughts will lead and point out the examples.

You are not God. It is not up to you to decide the eternal fate of another individual. It is God's...and God's alone.

We are all stewards of ourselves and our families. We make judgments based on what is best for ourselves and our families. It is our responsibility to select activities and associations which will benefit those individuals, and avoid associations which will cause harm.

However, it is NOT within our scope to condemn random people.

It is true that as a worthy priesthood holder for your family, you hold certain judgmental jurisdiction for your immediate family. If you hold the calling of a Bishop, you are "the father of the Ward", and hold certain judgmental jurisdiction over your ward while you hold that calling.

However, if you choose to execute unrighteous dominion, or take it upon yourself to judge others when you have no authority to do so, then Matthew 7:1-5 most definitely applies.

How long has it been since you have read the Sermon on the Mount, BC?

I think that it may be YOU who is lacking in biblical literacy:

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

[_Buffalo]

Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
1 Corinthians 6:2

Judgment day hasn't come, and you won't be among the saints. You just forfeited your place. Yahweh has no choice but to judge you as harshly as you judged Shades.

Sorry bc.

Read the verse and weep. The judging starts now.

Methinks perhaps you're a little devoid of humor. But yes, I truly believe that and it's the duty of all men to judge where certain acts, words, and thoughts will lead and point out the examples.

That's not what it says. The final judgment hasn't started. Unfortunately you've consigned yourself to hell, followed by an eternity in the Telestial Kingdom. Too bad for you. :)

Your only possible out is if you're currently sealed to a spouse in the temple. Then you could rape a school bus full of nuns and still go to the CK.

[_brade]

Elder Bednar was just in my neck of the woods in Virginia and made a surprise visit to one of the wards I use to attend. This would have been around mid-July. Now, I wasn't in attendance, but apparently he made quite an impression on the ward.

Here's the story as it was told to me. First off, long before Bednar's visit the bishop of the ward that was visited had apparently been trying to get the ward to be more reverent at the close of sacrament meeting, and at the opening of the sacrament meeting of Bednar's visit the bishop reminded the congregation to be reverent.

The meeting went along nicely, but after the close of the meeting a lot people immediately began chatting and just sort of standing around. Elder Bednar got up and began chastising the whole congregation, and, according to the reports I heard, told the congregation that they had utterly waisted the spirit that had been present in the meeting and that they were failing to honor their bishop and, therefore, the priesthood. According to reports he was visibly agitated and was speaking harshly and as if he were talking to a classroom of naughty 3rd graders. Then, perfect silence.

In the following days and weeks the bishop and stake president apparently dealt with quite a few complaints about Elder Bednar from some of the members in the ward, and there was, I'm told, something of a split of people who thought he behaved appropriately and others who thought he overreacted.

Anyway, just a bit of interesting gossip. As I said, I wasn't there. For all I know his response could have been completely appropriate given the behavior he witnessed. Or not. I don't know. I just thought I'd share my recent Bednar story. I'll be attending this ward tomorrow, so maybe I'll dig around a little bit, just out of curiosity.

[_Gadianton]

Hi there Doctor Shades.

The answer to your question is simple. People are fascinated by evil.

Recall that TBMs are "blown away" in a similar fashion by the portrayal of Satan in the temple. In the late 90's at least, he was the flashiest, best-dressed, most charismatic religious figure ever portrayed in film by the Church.

So when you saw this person who along with just a few other men exerts a mind-controlling influence over 13 million people by the vows of trickery, you were impressed. by the way, I ought to send you chapter 2 of my book Enoch, after hearing of this experience of yours, you'll love it.

[_harmony]

According to reports he was visibly agitated and was speaking harshly and as if he were talking to a classroom of naughty 3rd graders.

Well, he came from BYUI. Perhaps classrooms full of 3rd graders is all he expects from a ward.

[_karl61]

I can't remember the book now but I wrote this down last week because it could be related here: This was about a University of Chicago historian who was asked to be ambassador to Germany when Hitler took power. Years prior to that he was concerned about World War 1. Here the author writes:

Dodd had grown directly uneasy about signs that America was sliding toward intervention in the Great War, then being fought in Europe. His experience in Lipzig had left him no doubt that Germany alone was responsible for starting the war, in satifaction of the yearnings of Germany's industrialist and aristocrats, the Junkers, whom he likened to the Southern Aristocracy before the Civil War. Now he saw the emergence of a similar hubris on the part of America's own industrialast and military elites. When an army general tried to include the University of Chicago in a national campaign to ready the nation to war, Dodd took his complaint directly to the commander in Chief.

Dodd wanted only two minutes of Wilson's time but got far more and found himself as thoroughly changed if he had been the recipient of a potion in a fairytale. He came to belive that Wilson was correct in advocating U.S. intervention in the war. For Dodd Wilson became the embodient of Jefferson. Over the next seven years, he and Wilson became friends. Dodd wrote Wilson's biography. Upon Wilsons death on Febuary 3, 1924, Dodd fell into deep morning.

edit in: the book was called "in the garden of beasts" by erik larson








I think that when human beings are treated as special as they should be treated that their spirit comes alive. When I was in the MTC, Mark E. Peterson came to speak at BYU on sunday evening and everyone attends those firesides. After he came over to our side and started shaking hands. He was sort of glowing - sort of. Everyone was trying to shake his hand. I think everyone should treat others like this and I bet the world would be a better place.

[_consiglieri]

By taking the place of Jesus, bcspace has just sent himself to the Telestial Kingdom.

Do not pass Go.

Do not collect $200.

[_moksha]

I have an aversion to tentacles of any form.

Me too!

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Some aversions to tentacles may stem from Japanese porn. I mean, do they make sushi out of those tentacles afterward or what?

[_Nortinski]

I met L. Tom Perry once. It was nothing like your encounter. It was in a stake center, and nothing about him stood out particularly. He seemed to be more of a regular guy.

Lowell T. Perry performed the wedding ceremony for my brother Dallas and his first wife (it didn't stick.)

I am certain that if I ran into one of the Apostles somewhere that I would almost certainly openly (and loudly) mock them. Maybe by loudly proclaiming the name of the 2nd token of the...well...you get it. I suspect they don't get hecklers very often. It would be fun and I would almost certainly videotape it and post it online.