The snake in the garden of eden

[_jon]

What a shame God doesn't...

To what are you referring? I don't recall God writing anything. Or are you worried that people here have forgotten how little you really know about this and you wanted to remind them.

Ooooohhhhh, bitchy....! I like it.

Do you believe the Bible is the word of God?

[_just me]

*Today you will die.

*Today you will become mortal.


These sentences to not give off the same meaning. God said what amounts to the first sentence. "in that day, you will surely die" or whatever. If someone said that to me I would not think to myself "oh, they must mean that I will become mortal and eventually die in 900 years."

[_Hoops]

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Ooooohhhhh, bitchy....! I like it.

Do you believe the Bible is the word of God?[/quote]

You wrote: It's a shame God doesn't... (mean what He writes). I asked what He wrote that you say He doesn't mean. Or maybe I misunderstood your point.

[_jon]

You wrote: It's a shame God doesn't... (mean what He writes). I asked what He wrote that you say He doesn't mean. Or maybe I misunderstood your point.

I was referring to the whole 'on this day thous shalt surley die' thing.
But I saw you splitting hairs about serpent/snake as well so I'm wondering how you determine what to take literally and what to take metaphorically when it comes to the words in the Bible.
It's all very confusing for someone like me that knows, as you pointed out earlier, very little.

[_Hoops]

These sentences to not give off the same meaning. God said what amounts to the first sentence. "in that day, you will surely die" or whatever.

Not whatever. If one is going to try and determine meaning, specificity is required. Hey, don't you owe me something??!!

If someone said that to me I would not think to myself "oh, they must mean that I will become mortal and eventually die in 900 years."

But you are familiar with death. Or, conversely, Adam was not familiar with death. This is an enitrely foreign concept. I would suspect their reaction might be more like "What in the world is 'die'?" Though I'm going beyond the text here. But the point remains: death is a new idea. Particularly since we don't know how long they were in The Garden before this occured - or if that can even be judged, as there may have not been "time" at all.

[_Hoops]

I was referring to the whole 'on this day thous shalt surley die' thing.

Okay. A worthy verse to discuss.

But I saw you splitting hairs about serpent/snake as well

I think one should be precise in these kinds of things. A snake certainly is a serpent, but not all serpents are snakes. Considering the Biblical claim regarding what happened to this creature, this is significant.

so I'm wondering how you determine what to take literally and what to take metaphorically when it comes to the words in the Bible.

I've explained this. I begin literally then let the surrounding verses, the context, and the Bible as a whole inform. Not a particularly novel approach.

[_jon]

I've explained this. I begin literally then let the surrounding verses, the context, and the Bible as a whole inform. Not a particularly novel approach.

So...using this method, do you conclude that the Flood of Noah happened and was a worldwide flood?

[_just me]

I've explained this. I begin literally then let the surrounding verses, the context, and the Bible as a whole inform. Not a particularly novel approach.

So...using this method, do you conclude that the Flood of Noah happened and was a worldwide flood?

Here we go.... LOL

Hoops, I got company comin' but I'll try to get that to you today. :)

[_Hoops]

Hoops, I got company comin' but I'll try to get that to you today. :)

And I've got some for you to, if that's okay. :)

[_just me]

These sentences to not give off the same meaning. God said what amounts to the first sentence. "in that day, you will surely die" or whatever.

Not whatever. If one is going to try and determine meaning, specificity is required. Hey, don't you owe me something??!!

If someone said that to me I would not think to myself "oh, they must mean that I will become mortal and eventually die in 900 years."

But you are familiar with death. Or, conversely, Adam was not familiar with death. This is an enitrely foreign concept. I would suspect their reaction might be more like "What in the world is 'die'?" Though I'm going beyond the text here. But the point remains: death is a new idea. Particularly since we don't know how long they were in The Garden before this occured - or if that can even be judged, as there may have not been "time" at all.

Ok, so this here is a problem.

*God knowingly said something to Adam that he could not understand

*God said it in a way that literally did not come true...making him a liar or deceiver

*You say that mortality/death was a curse or punishment for eating the fruit YET God gives them additional curses afterwards that he never warned them about.

*This was not recorded by God or Adam. Who was it given to and by what method? If not directly revealed by God why should we even attempt to take it literally? If it was revealed directly from God why didn't he reveal it in a way that makes sense to the audience? ie "in that day you will become mortal" Because, the people reading would know what it means.

*A&E repeat that they will "die" if they eat the fruit. The word "die" is always used.

Please show me where in the narrative it says that they were immortal and unable to die prior to eating the fruit of the ToK. I can't find anything to indicate they were unable to die.

(Yes, send it on over)