Monson uses 9/11 to berate Americans

[_Hoops]

I guess I just assumed ...

Exactly.

[_DarkHelmet]

I wish she would clear that up

You bet, Chap. Buffalo likes to point out as many instances as possible when God has not met his idea of justice - and other things. One is left to wonder how Buffalo has arrived at his idea of justice.

Still not clear. To simplify things, this is the post we want cleared up

Buffalo wrote:

It would be nice if God would have protected all those innocent people 10 years ago. Then he wouldn't have had to go through the trouble of comforting us.

Hoop replied

Innocent of what?

The 9/11 victims are considered "innocent victims" by most everyone in this country. You appear to question their innocence. Why?

[_Chap]

I wish she would clear that up

You bet, Chap. Buffalo likes to point out as many instances as possible when God has not met his idea of justice - and other things. One is left to wonder how Buffalo has arrived at his idea of justice.

You are still quite unclear to me. Let me try again to grasp what you are driving at.

By asking your question "Innocent of what?", were you trying to raise the question "Where do you get the moral standard by which you judge these people to be innocent if you do not have a belief in a God who defines a moral standard?"

[_Buffalo]

My idea of justice comes from the same place most everyone else's does - evolved sense of empathy and shared social norms.

Where does yours come from? Hellraiser?

I see. In other words, "I really don't know where they come from, I just know they feeeeeeeeeel right."

I just told where it came from, without, as you would, resorting to magic.

[_Buffalo]

I guess I just assumed ...

Exactly.

Sorry. What are you then. Satanist? Reformed Pastafarian? Scientologist?

[_Bond James Bond]

Pretty mild really. Where's that fat idiot Jerry Falwell to call us to task for not killing the homosexuals and the Muslims and the socialites and other undesirables, the main reason for 9/11?*

*May be factually inaccurate hyperbole.

[_Blixa]

Monsons OpEd piece in the Washington Post is nothing like what I've seen from my local churches you can read it here:

I'm a little surprised by the generic quality of the piece. There isn't a hint of Mormonism in it. A Mormon reading it will find it totally familiar, reflecting the Book of Mormon teachings and the constant periods of faith and falling from faith, but a nonMormon will find nothing informative about Mormonism. It seems carefully designed to do exactly that, in fact, INHO.

That's my take as well. It's very empty.

[_Scottie]

You know, as a parent, I can really relate to this piece.

Whenever I feel that my kids aren't worshipping me enough, I do something drastic like light their room on fire, or make them watch me run over their favorite toy with my car, or if they just aren't being receptive, maybe I'll withhold food and water for a few days until they are forced to turn to me for help! Then I make them worship me all the harder before I give them food. It's all out of my exceeding love for them!!

I can totally understand why God would need to send thousands of people to a gruesome and painful death in order to get all of us slackers to worship Him more. And, by golly, who wouldn't want to worship such a loving and kind God!! I know I do!!

[_Mad Viking]

I'm unclear about the logic and reasoning that would have caused someone to become more faithful as a result of the attacks on 9/11/01.

Its not that people looked to God based on logic and reasoning.

Truer words have never been spoken.

What about the murder of all of those people makes one think: "Hmmm... you know what? I really should be worshipping god more?" I don't get it. I was a fully believing and faithful Mormon on that day. I don't ever recall thinking that. It makes no sense to me.

"We felt the great unsteadiness of life and reached for the great steadiness of our Father in Heaven"

Its just how it works.

That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. Our "Father in Heaven" didn't offer steadiness. He sat back and watched the planning and execution of the 9-11-01 attacks. Where is the steadiness that he provides?

[_Scottie]

"We felt the great unsteadiness of life and reached for the great steadiness of our Father in Heaven"

Where was the great steadiness of our Father in Heaven for those who were suffering and dying in the towers that day?