Concern about Church from a Young Girl

[_why me]

Which myth? That postmodernism is alive and well? From what I understand (I am not a philosopher, but a scientist) it died in philosophy some time ago. Or is the myth that it is being taught to children today? I certainly don't think that is the case.

I graduated High school post 2000, I certainly never heard it in any of my courses, and admittedly, never even knew what it was until my Freshman year in college. I don't think it is part of the average curriculum.

The notion that specific truth based in specific idenities is still alive and well in the unversity. For example: same sex marriage. This is embraced by a specific group who stresses their specific truth to the rest of society in hope that the entire society will embrace their truth. And much has been done to have this specific identity truth put into the mainstream.

Postmodernism does not need to spouted anymore. It is cemented into the study programs. What metanarratives are being learned today as general truths or for that matter, need to be embraced by the masses? The problem with Mormonism is that it is a metanarrative that rejects specific truths embraced by specific idenities. And this causes a reaction by these specific groups from a group that attempts to advance their truth of same sex marriage as a universal identity truth.

Post-postmodernism
Main article: Post-postmodernism

Recently the notion of the "death of postmodernism" has been increasingly widely debated: in 2007 Andrew Hoborek noted in his introduction to a special issue of the journal Twentieth Century Literature titled "After Postmodernism" that "declarations of postmodernism's demise have become a critical commonplace". A small group of critics has put forth a range of theories that aim to describe culture and/or society in the alleged aftermath of postmodernism, most notably Raoul Eshelman (performatism), Gilles Lipovetsky (hypermodernity), Nicolas Bourriaud (Altermodern), and Alan Kirby (digimodernism, formerly called pseudo-modernism). None of these new theories and labels has so far gained widespread acceptance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

[_jon]

Yes, the book sounds good as do other books. But practice is rather different. Lithuania is a very patriarchical society. There is no such thing as gender equality anywhere in the world. But it is on the books of some countries. And what about in america where such classes are taught? I still see gross inequality. To have gender equality one must struggle for a socialist feminist vison for society. Then, we have a chance.

http://womenshistory.about.com/od/femin ... inisms.htm

Also, what exactly is gender equality? And who defines it? In capitalism the concept becomes nothing more than mental masturbation. It feels good to write about it...to encourage it...but not very practical because the system discourages equality.

Good morning why me,

Sorry, I may have confused you. It's not a book.
EIGE is a European movement (not Lithuanian) and so represents a significant body for change towards gender equality. The document I quoted from was their strategy document. This may help put it into better perspective, from the website:
The idea of setting up a European Institute for Gender Equality came into being in 1995 and a draft proposal for its establishment was presented by the Swedish Minister for Gender Equality Ms Margareta Winberg at a seminar held in Stockholm in June 1999. The need for a gender institute as a ‘knowledge centre’ was confirmed by the seminar participants which was concluded by the general agreement on the need for a body for coordination, distribution of information and exchange of knowledge.

As part of the Social Policy Agenda, adopted at Nice in December 2000, the European Council recognised the need to raise awareness, pool resources and exchange experience in order to promote gender equality, in particular through the establishment of a European Institute for Gender Equality.

As for what equality is - really? You need to ask?
Very simply it is women being treated equally to men.
So can a woman be CEO of a bank in today's world? Yes
Can a women be Bishop of a small Mormon congregation? No

One is an example of equality, one is an example of inequality.

I recognise that it isn't as clear cut and simplistic as these comments portray, but it is absolutely irrefutable that the world is progressing with a gender equality principle and the Church is not.

[_why me]

I recognise that it isn't as clear cut and simplistic as these comments portray, but it is absolutely irrefutable that the world is progressing with a gender equality principle and the Church is not.

If you read between the lines in this link below, it seems that boys and men are getting the short of the stick in Sweden.


http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Society/E ... in-Sweden/

Now sweden has somewhat implanted a socialist feminist agenda. And that is a good thing. However, boys and men do suffer in that system because all the stress in on the girl and woman and equality. The boy and man can be left behind. In other words, when govenments enforce such strict gender equality laws, it is the boys and men that get overlooked and it is the girls and women who get more rights at the expense of boys and men.

For example, as a man, if I were in Sweden and I engage a prostitute for some service and if I get caught, I would get a severe penality. Why? because the radical feminists pressured the swedish govenment to institute a very strick law about such transactions. As a man I am not free to engage a prostitute for sex.

The Kvinnofrid law (1999)

The resulting government bill (February 5, 1998) packaged both commission reports together as a Violence Against Women Act (Kvinnofrid) [33] including criminalisation of purchase in the prostitution provisions [34] and measures to combat sexual harassment in the workplace. It was sponsored by both the Prime Minister, Göran Persson and the Minister of Gender Equality, [35] Ulrika Messing. The Justice Committee was not convinced that criminalisation would reduce prostitution, but still recommended the bill. [2]

Yvonne Svanström (Department of Economic History, Stockholm University) describes [2][8] the debates as being heavily gendered. Men tended to argue that this was a social, not criminal, matter and that the bill intruded on self determination, while the women argued that prostitution was incompatible with a social order embracing gender equity. They saw prostitution as patriarchal oppression, and therefore not a free will choice, although there was less unanimity over what should be done. The uniqueness of the proposal was emphasised, all of which took place at an ideological level with no appeal to empiricism, which was explicitly rejected. [2] Eventually the bill passed on June 4, 1998 [36] by 181 to 92 in a 349-member chamber, becoming law on January 1, 1999. [2] On 1 April 2005 this provision was transferred to the Penal Code [37] as section 11 of a new sexual crimes chapter (6).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Sweden

It is wonderful to be a woman in sweden. Maybe not so good to be a man since gender equality laws can discriminate against men in many ways besides prostitution laws.

Also, the gender equality laws do not take into consideration the basic difference between men and women. For these laws there is no difference at all. All genders are the same in need and emotion.

[_jon]

Thanks for that, why me, but I do fear you are clutching at straws in defense of the indefensable.

It is true, you can find isolated examples of areas that are either progressing slowly or not progressing at all on gender equality issues. Sadly the Church worldwide actively promotes non-gender equality 100% of the time.

[_moksha]

I hope my daughter is never put into an uncomfortable position if she ever blurts out her feeling in the Young Womens group. I know Women's Rights and the issue of gay marriage are guaranteed hot button issues which will cause a general alarm response in many male and female Church leaders.



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Why me, I hope the male dominated Utah State Legislature is listening to your warning and will refuse this Swedish example of curtailing our male right to engage prostitutes. If we do not stand firm on this issue then concubines and sister-wives may be next on this feminist hit list. Give us light cotton or give us dri-silk™.

[_why me]

I hope my daughter is never put into an uncomfortable position if she ever blurts out her feeling in the Young Womens group. I know Women's Rights and the issue of gay marriage are guaranteed hot button issues which will cause a general alarm response in many male and female Church leaders.

And what issues about women's rights could she bring up in a YW setting? Why women should hold the priesthood and how this will give her more equality with the boys and men? Why the church shoud allows gays and lesbians to marry in the temple because the world demands it?

As a Mormon your dauther is learning why she needs to be educated for a career and why she needs to have self confidence and respect for her body. And she learns about motherhood and why her place in a child's life is important. Not bad really.

[_why me]

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Why me, I hope the male dominated Utah State Legislature is listening to your warning and will refuse this Swedish example of curtailing our male right to engage prostitutes. If we do not stand firm on this issue then concubines and sister-wives may be next on this feminist hit list. Give us light cotton or give us dri-silk™.

Here is something interesting that just came out in the Finnish media:

http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2011/09/ ... 60363.html

Sex trade activists meeting in Helsinki have condemned talk about restricting or illegalising the sex trade in Finland.

Activists from Nordic countries say experience shows that the total criminalisation of the sex trade exposes sex workers to violence and could even lead to infringements of their basic rights and freedoms.

The gathering of activists and members of support networks for sex workers have been mulling over the current status of sex workers in the Nordics. They are particularly disturbed by the outright ban on the sex trade in Sweden and Norway.

Jaana Kauppinen of the Finnish support group Pro-tukipiste says the consequences of illegalising the sex trade have been negative from the sex workers’ point of view. “It’s not just the criminalisation, but also the complete change of attitude in society. It has spread to many other areas of their lives and led to infringements of their rights,” she pointed out.

In Sweden sex workers involved in custody battles often find themselves to be the underdogs. “One woman in our organisation who was in a custody battle said she was expected to play the victim and cry, and if she didn’t do this, it would become difficult for her to see her own child,” explained Pye Jakobsen, a sex trade activist from the Rose Alianse organisation in Sweden.

The sex trade is visible on the streets and in the bars of Helsinki and has been in the headlines for many weeks. While activists say that nothing has changed and that the public are singing the same old refrain, the police have a different view.

“This phenomenon has multiplied and spread, perhaps more foreign sex workers have come here and society’s tolerance levels have already peaked,” said Inspector Jussi Huhtela of the Helsinki Police.

Interior Minister and Christian Democrat Päivi Räsänen sparked controversy by proposing an outright ban on the sex trade as has been done in Sweden. But Kauppinen charges that such a tactic would only drive the trade underground and mask bigger problems.

“The trade would shut down in a way and move to unfamiliar areas, and that would pave the way for many problems such as violence and infringement of personal rights,” she noted.

“In my opinion other Nordic countries should give up the stupid belief that we in Sweden have all the answers, because we don’t,” declared Jakobsen.

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The issue is much larger than prostitution. It is an issue of male rights which in scandinavia takes a back seat across the board when it comes to the law. It has much to do with child custody righs, visitation rights, housing issues, and support groups.

For example: if a man is deformed he may find it difficult to find a partner. Or if a man is disfigured he may find it difficult to find a partner. Groups who represent the disabled often are critical of these laws because they infringe on the rights of the disabled.

However, radical feminists are often behind laws that infringe on the male. And they know it. My point was simple: there is no such thing as gender equality and the laws that favor gender equality often infringe on male rights.

Men are more or less second class citizens.

[_moksha]

And what issues about women's rights could she bring up in a YW setting? Why women should hold the priesthood and how this will give her more equality with the boys and men?

Her argument would be that if boys get to hold the Priesthood then girls should too. There is only an outside chance she would ever share this idea, but she might since she believes girls are equal to boys or better.

Why the church shoud allows gays and lesbians to marry in the temple because the world demands it?

No, she understands the Church would never allow gay and lesbian marriages in the Temple. Her concern was that the Church should never have forced its beliefs on others outside of Church.

As a Mormon your dauther is learning why she needs to be educated for a career and why she needs to have self confidence and respect for her body. And she learns about motherhood and why her place in a child's life is important. Not bad really.

I suspect she will not take kindly to being told she should not wear sleeveless shirts in the summer in preparation of becoming a garment wearer. As a father, I do like the thought that she will be encountering the lower spark of the Mormon boys. Do you know if they still give those cupcake lessons?

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[_why me]

And what issues about women's rights could she bring up in a YW setting? Why women should hold the priesthood and how this will give her more equality with the boys and men?

Her argument would be that if boys get to hold the Priesthood then girls should too. There is only an outside chance she would ever share this idea, but she might since she believes girls are equal to boys or better.

And if boys are drafted so should girls. And if boys have penises so should girls. And if girls have babies so should boys. Comparisons do not work and they never will. Differences need to be respected.

[_why me]

Why the church shoud allows gays and lesbians to marry in the temple because the world demands it?

No, she understands the Church would never allow gay and lesbian marriages in the Temple. Her concern was that the Church should never have forced its beliefs on others outside of Church.

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And where has it? People in california voted and they voted against same sex marriage. Now can the postmodernists accept this vote? No, they could not. They asked the supreme court to interfere. Your daughter should have more concern about this. I do believe that the same sex marriage supporters are attempting to force their beliefs on those who are against it.