moksha wrote: I suspect she will not take kindly to being told she should not wear sleeveless shirts in the summer in preparation of becoming a garment wearer. As a father, I do like the thought that she will be encountering the lower spark of the Mormon boys. Do you know if they still give those cupcake lessons?
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There is nothing wrong with modesty. It is in the Bible. Life does not end when one can not wear a sleeveless shirt. And she doesn't have to wear her garments everywhere. At the beach? At the pool? Walking along the waterfront after a swim? No garments are required. My daughters wear sleeves that just go over the shoulder. No problem.
The same rule applies to men. Do men's garments allow for a sleeveless shirt?
Cupcakes lessons were not in the manual if I remember correctly. But they were given by well meaning teachers. But I don't agree with such lessons and they need to be stopped if they are still continueing.
Do you know the percentage of teenagers who have had sex by the age of 15? Quite a few.
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jon wrote: What is the percentage of non Mormon teenagers having sex? What is the percentage of Mormon teenagers having sex?
I'm interested in seeing the figures from the studies that you must have seen to make the claim 'quite a few'.
46%. That is quite a lot. And they are more or less clueless when it comes to the genital herpes virus which many americans carry around everyday of their lives.
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I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
The children of teen mothers have been reported to have higher rates of several unfavorable mental health outcomes. Past research suggests several possible mechanisms for an association between religiosity and teen birth rate in communities.
Methods
The present study compiled publicly accessible data on birth rates, conservative religious beliefs, income, and abortion rates in the U.S., aggregated at the state level. Data on teen birth rates and abortion originated from the Center for Disease Control; on income, from the U.S. Bureau of the Census, and on religious beliefs, from the U.S. Religious Landscape Survey carried out by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. We computed correlations and partial correlations.
Results
Increased religiosity in residents of states in the U.S. strongly predicted a higher teen birth rate, with r = 0.73 (p < 0.0005). Religiosity correlated negatively with median household income, with r = -0.66, and income correlated negatively with teen birth rate, with r = -0.63. But the correlation between religiosity and teen birth rate remained highly significant when income was controlled for via partial correlation: the partial correlation between religiosity and teen birth rate, controlling for income, was 0.53 (p < 0.0005). Abortion rate correlated negatively with religiosity, with r = -0.45, p = 0.002. However, the partial correlation between teen birth rate and religiosity remained high and significant when controlling for abortion rate (partial correlation = 0.68, p < 0.0005) and when controlling for both abortion rate and income (partial correlation = 0.54, p = 0.001).
Conclusion
With data aggregated at the state level, conservative religious beliefs strongly predict U.S. teen birth rates, in a relationship that does not appear to be the result of confounding by income or abortion rates. One possible explanation for this relationship is that teens in more religious communities may be less likely to use contraception.
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jon wrote: What is the percentage of non Mormon teenagers having sex? What is the percentage of Mormon teenagers having sex?
I'm interested in seeing the figures from the studies that you must have seen to make the claim 'quite a few'.
46%. That is quite a lot. And they are more or less clueless when it comes to the genital herpes virus which many americans carry around everyday of their lives.
From the report "About 46 percent of teens have had sexual intercourse"
What proportion of this 46% is non-Mormon? The report doesn't seem to clarify religious affiliation, so I'm interested in how you base your conclusion that it's less prevalent among Mormon teens.
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
jon wrote:From the report "About 46 percent of teens have had sexual intercourse"
What proportion of this 46% is non-Mormon? The report doesn't seem to clarify religious affiliation, so I'm interested in how you base your conclusion that it's less prevalent among Mormon teens.
Please see my previous post, which showed clear evidence that more religious teenagers get pregnant than non-religious. Why should Mormon religious teenagers be an exception?
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Chap wrote: Please see my previous post, which showed clear evidence that more religious teenagers get pregnant than non-religious. Why should Mormon religious teenagers be an exception?
The practice of the Law of Chastity should have practical manifestations that are obvious in the society or culture in which the law is practiced. Of all the conservative Christian faiths, the LDS Church is the only one that has a tangible goal that is unattainable without keeping the Law of Chastity, and that is the opportunity to gain admittance to the temple, make covenants there, and indeed, be married there for eternity. When youth ask why they should live the Law of Chastity, it's more than helpful to parents to be able to answer with something more than, "because God said so."
A recent study published in the Journal of Reproductive Health shows that there is a practical and societal difference among the youth in conservative Christian cultures who are all taught to be chaste, or to practice sexual abstinance before marriage. The study collected the data on religiosity from Pew Forum’s U.S. Religious Landscapes survey. In the United States the states that are profoundly Christian conservative also have the highest rates of teen pregnancy. Even when abortions and income were accounted for, the correlation between religiosity and teen pregnancy was still strong. The exception is Utah, which is about 60% Mormon. This is how the states ranked in religiousity and teenage pregnancy (2009):
Top 10 most conservatively religious states: 1. Mississippi 2. Alabama 3. South Carolina 4. Tennessee 5. Louisiana 6. Utah 7. Arkansas 8. North Carolina 9. Kentucky 10. Oklahoma
Top 10 states with highest teen birth rates: 1. Mississippi 2. New Mexico 3. Texas 4. Arkansas 5. Arizona 6. Oklahoma 7. Nevada 8. Tennessee 9. Kentucky 10. Georgia
Utah ranked sixth in religiousity, but 34th in teenage pregnancy. This surprising result makes Utah a real outlier. Qualification for eternal marriage in the temple is a real motivator for young people to keep the Law of Chastity. Support from the LDS Church with highly organized youth activities and service projects, and support from strong families well-educated in gospel principles also help youth to practice abstinence.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Chap wrote: Please see my previous post, which showed clear evidence that more religious teenagers get pregnant than non-religious. Why should Mormon religious teenagers be an exception?
Utah ranked sixth in religiousity, but 34th in teenage pregnancy. This surprising result makes Utah a real outlier. Qualification for eternal marriage in the temple is a real motivator for young people to keep the Law of Chastity. Support from the LDS Church with highly organized youth activities and service projects, and support from strong families well-educated in gospel principles also help youth to practice abstinence. [/b]
Increased religiosity in residents of states in the U.S. strongly predicted a higher teen birth rate, with r = 0.73 (p < 0.0005). Religiosity correlated negatively with median household income, with r = -0.66, and income correlated negatively with teen birth rate, with r = -0.63. But the correlation between religiosity and teen birth rate remained highly significant when income was controlled for via partial correlation: the partial correlation between religiosity and teen birth rate, controlling for income, was 0.53 (p < 0.0005). Abortion rate correlated negatively with religiosity, with r = -0.45, p = 0.002. However, the partial correlation between teen birth rate and religiosity remained high and significant when controlling for abortion rate (partial correlation = 0.68, p < 0.0005) and when controlling for both abortion rate and income (partial correlation = 0.54, p = 0.001).
Do you notice how they were careful to correct for the effects of income (which has a high negative correlation with teen birth rate)? Did the study you quoted do that? It rather seems not. And if as I suspect your study is really referring to teen birth, rather than teen pregnancy, not all of which ends in birth, the abortion rate needs to be controlled for too if the results are to mean anything.
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Chap wrote: Do you notice how they were careful to correct for the effects of income (which has a high negative correlation with teen birth rate)? Did the study you quoted do that? It rather seems not. And if as I suspect your study is really referring to teen birth, rather than teen pregnancy, not all of which ends in birth, the abortion rate needs to be controlled for too if the results are to mean anything.
Nice try but Utah is the exception to the rule when it comes to a rather conservative religious state.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Chap wrote: Do you notice how they were careful to correct for the effects of income (which has a high negative correlation with teen birth rate)? Did the study you quoted do that? It rather seems not. And if as I suspect your study is really referring to teen birth, rather than teen pregnancy, not all of which ends in birth, the abortion rate needs to be controlled for too if the results are to mean anything.
Nice try but Utah is the exception to the rule when it comes to a rather conservative religious state.
An exception to what rule? To the need to control for the variables I mentioned? I don't follow you. If you don't control for income and abortion rate, mere rank order tells us little.
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