The Nehor has left the building...

[_Yoda]

liz, fyi, I took it as a very baiting reference to the posters here. And I was more than a little surprised to see it.

I'm sorry you took it that way. That's not how it was meant. Believe or don't believe what you want. You have known me long enough now to make that call.

I didn't misunderstand Liz's reference at all, mainly because I could name a list of posters here, as long as your arm, whom Liz admires, and has even defended in the past.

Thanks, Ray! You are correct. I'm glad someone here understands me. :-)

[_mentalgymnast]

...this forum will turn into RfM, and that would suck.

Has turned...

Although less influential by far, I would guess.

What does suck is this thread. Nehor doesn't deserve to be spat on in this forum. It's unfortunate that religious differences can breed the caustic comments that we've seen here.

Alas, it's always been human nature, for some, to attack those that hold different religious views. Many ex-mormons and/or disgruntled Mormons fall into the proverbial trap of looking at the "other" as being somehow "less than" or inferior to themselves simply because they believe in the restoration story.

There is nothing new under the sun on this board anymore. I think THAT is the reason many of the apologists have left and gone elsewhere. It's just not that interesting most of the time.

Regards,
MG

[_Themis]

...this forum will turn into RfM, and that would suck.

Has turned...

Although less influential by far, I would guess.

This is incorrect. RFM never intended freedom to say what you want. We still get that here. Mad does not compare.

What does suck is this thread. Nehor doesn't deserve to be spat on in this forum. It's unfortunate that religious differences can breed the caustic comments that we've seen here.

I agree.

Alas, it's always been human nature, for some, to attack those that hold different religious views. Many ex-Mormons and/or disgruntled Mormons fall into the proverbial trap of looking at the "other" as being somehow "less than" or inferior to themselves simply because they believe in the restoration story.

Unfortunately this is true of many believing members. Mad seems to have many of them there.

There is nothing new under the sun on this board anymore. I think THAT is the reason many of the apologists have left and gone elsewhere. It's just not that interesting most of the time.

There is nothing new at Mad, RFM, etc. Even though some here and at Mad cannot treat others with respect, apologists generally leave becuase they cannot really answer the hard questions.

[_asbestosman]

Liz likes drama, so she decided to post a farewell thread about a controversial poster who has gone out of his way to be a gigantic douche to people like LDST, what better way to get people to say things that are gossip worthy?

I don't recall the drama between LDST and Nehor. Nehor is harsh to people who claim to be active while criticizing the church.

However, to be fair to Liz, I might have started a goodbye thread to Nehor because I like him. Then again, I may not have--figuring that if Nehor wanted to say goodbye he would have.

After starting said thread, Liz flounces off to NOM-Utopia, where people pretend the LDS Church is gay friendly and pluralistic, so she can link drama thread with an appropriate “LOL” to signal the start of commentary by a virtual parade of crucified messiahs.

Daniel Peterson and Nehor don't strike me as the NOM type. If anything, they're opposed to it.

The icing on this two layered cake, is now Liz gets to dole out invitations to her clubhouse. It’s similar to MAD banning someone, then continuing the conversation one sided.

This doesn't seem like a big deal to me. There are all sort of ways we can have one-sided communications from PMs to Facebook.

when really this thread was intended to provoke drama, has invoked drama, and will thrive with said drama for many more pages.

I think essentially this is correct. If anyone sits down and thinks about it, the end result of goodbye threads is drama. That's one reason I figured if I leave I'll just go quietly. Now, though, maybe I'll leave with a thread just to provoke drama. It could be interesting to learn what people really think of me, no?

Many people dislike Nehor--I guess I get that. But I think the barbs he receives are a bit much. I'm probably more nebbish than Nehor and have stranger hobbies. I'm guessing that the reason I'm not criticized as he was is that I don't annoy critics with barbs much if at all.

All that aside, I thought the reason Nehor left was due to how Daniel Peterson was treated, that Daniel Peterson deleted his account, and that Daniel Peterson started a thread discussing it on MDD.

[_Nightlion]

I don't' mean to say every poster here is hurting either.

Everybody Hurts....Sometime

That is one GREAT music video! Thanks! Loved the tangled steel tumbleweed on the flatbed semi.

[_stemelbow]

I'm beginning to see why people give up on you, Stem.

What do you mean beginning?

[_stemelbow]

Liz, its unfortunate to see how quick some of the posters here are to turn on you. Either that or I didn't realize how much so many of them didn't like you (ouch, but join the club). Its unfortunate. Also, its amazing how sensitve posters here can be, but in the same breath blow out all sorts of offensive steam. Its like I gained a deeper understanding of many of the posters here, and its pretty sad to me.

[_Chap]

Liz, its unfortunate to see how quick some of the posters here are to turn on you. Either that or I didn't realize how much so many of them didn't like you (ouch, but join the club). Its unfortunate. Also, its amazing how sensitve posters here can be, but in the same breath blow out all sorts of offensive steam. Its like I gained a deeper understanding of many of the posters here, and its pretty sad to me.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Many people dislike Nehor--I guess I get that. But I think the barbs he receives are a bit much. I'm probably more nebbish than Nehor and have stranger hobbies. I'm guessing that the reason I'm not criticized as he was is that I don't annoy critics with barbs much if at all.

My two cents is that you're not criticized as much because you don't invite criticism in the same way. I'm sure you're right that part of it was the barbs. Part of it, no doubt, was his goofy exclamations about seer stones, astral journeys, and so on. For my part, I deeply resented some of his more inflammatory comments, such as his suggestion that it was worthwhile to "sacrifice two planes" a year so that he could board his flights sooner, or his assertion that rape victims "deserve a portion of the blame." I brought these up to him repeatedly and he steadfastly refused to back down from either. He kept insisting that he was being "misrepresented," or whatever else, despite the fact that he was often confronted with verbatim quotes, given in-context. I was left wondering: Would he say this stuff in front of someone whose loved one died in 9/11? Would he say this among people who know women who've been sexually harassed and/or raped? (Fact is, he *did*.) In any event, the bottom line is that I have zero respect for a person who holds these views. If he was here, he would deny that he has these views, in which case I'd simply provide links to the threads where he said this crap. Some people, I'm sure, are able to just shrug this stuff off (like you and Liz, apparently), but I just don't feel the same way.

All that aside, I thought the reason Nehor left was due to how Daniel Peterson was treated, that Daniel Peterson deleted his account, and that Daniel Peterson started a thread discussing it on MDD.

Yeah, I agree with this.

[_MrStakhanovite]

Many people dislike Nehor--I guess I get that. But I think the barbs he receives are a bit much. I'm probably more nebbish than Nehor and have stranger hobbies. I'm guessing that the reason I'm not criticized as he was is that I don't annoy critics with barbs much if at all.

What I've said about Nehor on this thread, I would not say of DCP/Belmont/Stem/Yahoo Bot/MG or what have you. Nehor didn't earn my scorn by being a basement dweller, he earned it for being a prick and douchebag to other people, in ways other TBMs/Defenders/Mopologists haven't in my time.