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Why People Dislike Mormons

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From this article written a year ago:

Hiding My Religion

Several years ago I had one of those rare opportunities of being a fly on the wall. I got the chance to find out what people really think of Mormons when they think no Mormons are listening.

I was in Phoenix, Arizona attending a sales training seminar. Those of us in attendance, all strangers to one another, had been flown in from various western states as representatives of the companies we worked for. That evening after the day-long meeting was over, a group of us elected to leave the hotel for dinner at a nearby restaurant.

During dinner, one of the participants asked if the rest of us had noticed anything odd about one of the young women who had been conducting the meeting. She seemed overly bubbly to the point of near insincerity. He described her as "kind of a plastic Barbie type."

Someone volunteered, “I think she’s a Mormon,” and almost everyone at the table responded as if to say, “well, that explains it.” Soon everyone had their own stories of encounters with Mormons, or stories of dealing with Mormon co-workers who were pushy, phony, or overbearing.

I was actually quite surprised at what I was hearing, as I thought we Latter-Day Saints were generally well thought of by the public at large. As the conversation got cattier, one guy caught himself and said, “I hope nobody here is a Mormon, right?” and there was laughter all around at the embarrassment that would have resulted if it turned out one of us was.

Now according to my upbringing, I know what I was supposed to do at that moment. I was supposed to declare myself a devoted member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and then bear a powerful testimony of the privilege of being a member of the one true church on the face of the earth in these latter days. Perhaps I could have even stood up dramatically in righteous rebuke the way Joseph Smith faced down the mocking guards while imprisoned in Richmond Jail:

“'SILENCE, ye fiends of the infernal pit. In the name of Jesus Christ I rebuke you, and command you to be still; I will not live another minute and hear such language. Cease such talk, or you or I die THIS INSTANT!'

I didn't do that.

In fact, I didn’t do or say anything. And it wasn’t because I was timid. The truth is, I was absolutely fascinated with the conversation going on around me, and I wanted to hear more. I was frankly surprised that none of the stories being told around the table contained a hint of animosity toward Mormonism as a religion, nor did anyone seem to have any real doctrinal disagreements with their Mormon acquaintances regarding their religion. It all came down to the fact that Mormons could be pretty irritating the way they were always trying to convert everybody else, and how completely clueless they were as to how they came off to other people.

Ever since that dinner in Phoenix, I’ve kind of had my ear to the ground about why people don’t particularly get excited when they see us approaching. I’d be happy to share with you what I’ve learned.

But first, a story.

How Not To Win Friends And Influence People

When Connie and I were young marrieds expecting our first child, we moved into a new ward in Orem where we were instantly befriended by a personable and energetic young couple also expecting their first child, and close to our own ages. We seemed to have lots in common.

Both Connie and I have long since forgotten this couple’s last name, but they were memorable for their first names. Both the husband and wife happened to be named Kim. To keep them straight, we took to referring to them as “Boy Kim” and “Girl Kim.”

For a couple of weeks we and the Kims were practically inseparable. We went out together, spent time at each other’s apartments, and swapped life stories. Both Boy Kim and Girl Kim were heavily involved in Amway, and were constantly encouraging us to become Amway distributors like them.

“You’d be perfect at it, because you’re both so gregarious and likeable,” Boy Kim flattered us.

Well, like virtually every other person in the continental United States, I had already put in my time as an Amway distributor. And in keeping with the majority, I had failed miserably at building a viable downline that would guarantee me a perpetual income for life. But I knew other people had been successful (I had the tapes!), and I wished the best for Kim and Kim. I told them I hoped they would do better at it than I had.

To show our support for the Kims, we even purchased quite a bit of Amway product from them. But that wasn’t what they wanted from us. They wanted us to go to their Amway meetings with them and they wanted us in their downline. And they weren’t taking no for an answer.

We finally gave in and went to one of the meetings, but afterward I had to be blunt with Kim and Kim and tell them that we really liked doing stuff with them, but we simply weren’t interested in joining their downline.

Their reaction was even more blunt, but it didn’t come until days later. After Connie made several attempts to get together with Girl Kim, Girl Kim came right out and made it clear what the deal was.

Connie later told me what Kim had said to her. Having once been an Amway distributor myself, I recognized the kiss-off; It was right out of the script.

“We have to concentrate on building our business,” Girl Kim explained. “We want the white Corvette, and you obviously don’t. We want the big house on the hill, and you don’t. We just can’t afford to waste time being around negative people.”

So all along Kim and Kim had just been trying to recruit us. The whole friendship had been a sham.

Every Member A Pain In The Butt

I think you see the analogy here. Throughout the 1970's and 80's the church promoted the slogan “Every Member a Missionary.” The idea was, if you knew someone (better yet, an entire family) who you felt would “make a good member,” you would befriend them and fellowship them and in due time introduce them to the missionaries. After taking the missionary discussions, your new investigators would agree to be baptized, and Voila! You would have new Mormon friends, the church would experience phenomenal growth, and there would be that many more souls headed for the celestial kingdom. And all thanks to you.

But there was sometimes an unforeseen glitch in that scheme. What happens if, despite all your efforts, this guy or gal you picked to buddy up to just plain wasn’t interested in joining your church? What then? You couldn't stay friends with them forever because, let's face it, you don’t share the same standards and values. They aren't going to be good enough. So eventually you sort of just dropped them as your friend and found some new candidate to build the kingdom with.

And this abandoned investigator, your former BFF, ended up feeling used. What’s worse, it didn’t take him long to figure out exactly what you had been up to. Eventually this guy ends up in Phoenix, Arizona, telling his story to a group of others who at one time or another had the exact same thing happen to them.

One way or another they all found out it wasn’t friendship. It was Amway.

We shouldn’t fool ourselves into thinking that non-members weren't aware of the program. They know what the word “fellowshipping” means. They define it as “pretending to be someone’s friend.”


Extreme Makeover, Street Edition

Now, I don’t have to tell you that Mormons are exceptional people. You are a Mormon. You know how wonderful you are. You are humble and lovable. So am I.

This is what so annoys our non-member neighbors. What we think of as humility, they see as arrogance.

Go figure.

Another thing they don't like about us: we don't listen. Why should we, when we have all the truth? Other people should be listening to us, right? Who cares about what the other guy believes since the other guy's beliefs are wrong anyway?

You want to know what else they're saying about us behind our backs? They wonder why we dress our missionaries up in such a readily identifiable way that anyone can see them coming from a mile away. Not even Jehovah's Witnesses are that stupid. When the Jay-Dubs come to your door, you don't know it's them until you've already opened it. Mormon missionaries, on the other hand, can be recognized through the peephole.

I’ve long felt our street image was long past due for a makeover. If you knew someone who had an aversion to clowns, would you dress up as a clown and come over?

Hard as this may be for some of you to accept, the public at large has an aversion to religious predicants, no matter how well the pants match the suit coat. Add a nametag, a backpack, and a King Dorko brand bike helmet, and our poor guys start out each day with a clear disadvantage. It is a matter of great curiosity among the gentiles why we would want our key emissaries to telegraph their arrival by wearing such easily recognized costumes. Don't we realize that we would be more successful if we sneaked up on our targets dressed like normal people?

Non-members don't understand, of course, that under normal circumstances our young men wouldn't choose to dress like this on a dare. The missionary uniform is dictated by Church headquarters in Salt Lake, right down to the name tag which, like the tag on your mattress, is not allowed to be removed under penalty of law.

I understand what the brains back at church headquarters are trying to accomplish with this uniformity of dress. They want our representatives to convey a smart, distinctive image, one that is recognizable no matter where they are in the world.

But this is corporate thinking, evidence of a corporate mentality. It’s one thing to require all McDonald’s hamburgers to be the same no matter where in the world you buy one. People still like McDonald's hamburgers.

But people don't particularly like Mormon missionaries. If this mode of dress was so effective, why aren't people knocking on the missionaries' doors, breathlessly asking to hear their message?

Why are we sending our boys out dressed like smart young insurance salesmen when even insurance salesmen know that look hasn't worked since 1959?

Not long ago, a group of punk rockers looking for a name and a gimmick settled on calling themselves "The Mormons" and performing onstage dressed exactly like Mormon missionaries: white shirts, ties, nametags, helmets, and backpacks:

Yes, brothers and sisters, we've been punked. As if being ironic on stage wasn't enough for these guys, they also delighted in performing on the street. In this video you'll notice that the people passing by are avoiding contact with "The Mormons". That's because they think they're real.


When punk rockers dress like Mormons and call themselves Mormons, and when frat boys think dressing up like Mormon missionaries for Halloween is the ultimate in jokey hilarity, then it may be time to reassess the effectiveness of the image we're conveying.

Let me make it clear that I'm not ragging on the use of a bike helmet. I wear one myself when I'm on my bike. But while I'm on my bike I'm not dressed to the nines like Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones, either. The contrast between business formal and skate-kid sporty is incongruous. Can't we allow our young representatives some sartorial leeway that doesn't leave them open to ridicule as they ride to their appointments?

Besides, this dark-suited formality our missionaries present makes them seem aloof and unapproachable to many people. Perhaps tan slacks and a dress shirt would work better. Maybe a nice blazer. But lose the tie, except in situations where a tie is appropriate. The dark, formal suit and tie on a young person says to other young people “I have nothing in common with you."

It's time we allowed our boys some discretion over where and when they wear their nametags, too. And let them drop the "Elder" from their introductions, so they can be known by their first names when the occasion calls for it. Many people have difficulty understanding why we make a kid just out of his teens introduce himself as their elder. When most people think of an Elder, they think of someone who resembles Dumbledore. Placing a nametag with the title of "Elder" on a kid who looks like Archie Andrews doesn't convey maturity, it just seems fusty and pretentious.

And that goes for the sister missionaries, who deserve better than to have to introduce themselves to everyone they meet as though they are catholic nuns.

Let's Make It Easier To Serve

We like to say our young men are “serving” a mission, but non-members have a hard time believing that what our boys are doing is any kind of "service" as that term is usually understood. Missionaries of other faiths are known for going into poverty-stricken countries digging wells and building clinics. To Americans, Mormon missionaries are young men who spend their days knocking on doors looking for people to join their church.

Besides, the way they dress, our missionaries are in no position to perform any service anyway, if by “service” you mean actually lending someone a helping hand. A nineteen year-old wearing an expensive suit isn’t going to risk ruining it by helping someone dig a post-hole in their backyard. And who would think to ask him to?

It's true that our missionaries want to be helpful. Almost every time the Elders visit my home, they ask me if there is anything they can do while they're here. Sure, I could use an occasional hand around the place, but what can I say? They simply aren't dressed for anything other than to offer a closing prayer.

When I was a missionary it was impressed upon us that our time belonged to the Lord, and therefore it was not to be wasted. All of our time was to be spent in finding, teaching, and baptizing. But is this really what the Lord would have us spending all his time on? Isn’t service to others the greater calling?

Of course, we thought that by finding, teaching, and baptizing, what we were doing was service to the Lord. It might have been more accurate to say that we were serving the Church, as everything that institution demanded of us was calculated to ensure the growth and expansion of the church by adding to its numbers.

When our new friend Cully Cowgill asked if my companion and I could help him preparation and paint his shed, we had to put him off until P-day so as not to run afoul of the rules. And then we had to quit by six o’clock so as to get cleaned up and back to knocking on doors.

Cully was one of those people who would have made a good member, but he never did join the church. We just didn’t have enough time for him.

It's interesting to note that whatever it was we've been doing to gain converts just isn't working like it used to. Reports show that growth has been slowing since 1989. In addition, our retention rate is abysmal. Converts are now leaving the church in record numbers.

Perhaps we ought to change our approach. Slow down a little, maybe, and allow people to get to know us. Instead of the old three step paradigm of “find, teach, and baptize” Gary Lawrence suggests “a more realistic six-step model: Awareness, Awakening, Curiosity, Interest, Investigation and Conversion.”

I would add "Service".

Wouldn’t it be something if, when people saw our missionaries on the street, they recognized them as nice young people who had devoted two years to helping others, rather than just trying to recruit new members?

First we'll have to get them out of that corporate uniform.

Why Not Try Pure Mormonism?

If we want people to like us, instead of trying to convert everybody to our religion, why don't we simply go back to actually living our religion the way Joseph Smith taught us to. In my essay What Do I Mean By " Pure" Mormonism? I pointed out that our founder defined Mormonism in it's purest state as simply friendship -unconditional friendship extended to all men and women, no matter their beliefs or station. Our religion is a religion of unconditional love, without judgment, for all mankind. At least it's supposed to be.

I think we've kind of gotten away from that. I'm inclined to think that we got so excited at how fast the church was growing over the past few decades that we began to think church growth was the goal.

Growth should not be the focus of the Church of Christ. That's corporate thinking. Growth is the goal of a corporation that delights in boasting of how each year, the percentage of expansion has increased over the previous year. Our goal as individual members of The Body of Christ is simply to treat other people as Jesus would. If we just do that, growth will take care of itself.

I fear our image of late has become one of intolerance for those who don't rise to our standards. We won't even baptize a person unless he has been interviewed and found worthy. There was a time when the only requirement for baptism was a desire to be baptized. Now we have introduced all kinds of conditions that must be met before we'll let a newcomer join our little club. Heaven help us if we don't screen them well enough that we let someone through who is later seen drinking a cup of coffee. What would such a scandal do to the image of the Church?

I'd like to see us focus less on converting others to our lifestyle, and simply live so that our lifestyle becomes more attractive to others. There is only one character trait you can demonstrate that other people will find irresistible, and that trait is kindness. "In the end," as the song goes, "Only kindness matters."

Kindness is one thing you can't fake. If you try to fake kindness, it's not kindness. It's fellowshipping.
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It's astronomically rare that Mormons are genuine friends with non-Mormons and in many cases, even with other Mormons. After all, too much (i.e., 'eternal life') is at stake, and believing Mormons are focussed on climbing up the LDS institution's version of Jacob's ladder to get into the Celestial Kingdom. When 'friendship' is extended to lapsed and to non Mormons, it's purposeful; i.e., it's to (re-)convert them. If they resist, Mormons on the ladder have no time for them. Mormon 'friendship' isn't, therefore, genuine. The equation of Mormon fellowshipping to Amway recruitment is apt.

Mormons' testimonies about being members of the True church, while everyone else lives in various shades of darkness, result in Mormons coming across as arrogant; even though they perceive themselves as being humble followers of Christ a double-think phenomenon common to adherents of all three 'book' religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam).

Mormonism encourages a one-track mind; accordingly, as mentioned, Mormons are obsessed with climbing the Church's version of Jacob's ladder. Convinced and determined to remain convinced that they are possessed of the Truth, Mormons are unable to discuss differences of opinion about life's big issues; rather, they can only proclaim institutionally-approved dogma. For, as long as they're aware of only their tradition, they're safely on the ladder; but once they learn details about conflicting Truths from other traditions, their own Truth can be reduced to being merely one among many, which can raise doubts in their minds. (See Hammer, Claiming Knowledge [Brill 2001], 493.) Bigoted Mormons are a natural result.

In a related vein, Mormons are inveterate and compulsive navel gazers. Rarely do they investigate anything with the gusto they devote to Mormonism. Accordingly, unless they're monologuing about the Truth (or sometimes, the falsity) of Mormonism, conversations with Mormons generally are shallow and short. Mormons are boring.
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This article hit home with me on so many levels, and I believe it is something that gnaws at the animosity so many ex-Mormons have with the Church. Just a few weeks ago I ran across an old friend of mine on Facebook. She and I were very close between 1994 and 1997 and lost touch after she moved to Utah and I moved to Florida. As it turns out, she was going to be in town for a week, so she could attend her best friend's wedding. So she emailed me and said she wanted to meet up so we could catch up and talk about old times. When she got in town, she called me immediately and we chatted on the phone for about an hour, laughing about things we had nearly forgotten from our past relationship. So we made plans for her and her kids to come visit and have dinner at my home the next day. She was so excited about seeing me again, meeting my wife and having our kids play together.

And then it happened. Towards the end of our conversation she asked me how many callings I had had over the years, since she always assumed I'd be a bishop one day. I told her that I wasn't really active in the Church any longer, although my wife goes on occasion. She started laughing, saying I was joking with her. When I made it clear I wasn't joking and that I didn't really want to talk about religion (why ruin such a happy conversation?) she kept pushing the subject insisting, "Come on Kevin you know the Church is true!" She kept repeating this over and over as if by mere repetition I would be bludgeoned back into the fold. I expressed gratitude for the Church and what it has done for me in my life, but stated I could no longer in good conscience say I believed it was the one true Church. She kept asking me why why why why, but I really didn't want to get into all the issues such as the Book of Abraham. And to be perfectly honest, I had no desire to say anything that would cause her to have a crisis of faith. I remembered her as a struggling member herself when I was fresh off my mission. She was hardly the ideal Mormon girl, always dating the one guy who would influence her to do the things Mormons weren't supposed to do. I don't recall ever seeing her bear her testimony in Church. either. But I guess after she moved to Utah she found a "Peter Priesthood" type guy to marry. She had already had five kids within the past decade so I guess I should have known she was already a converted "Utah Mormon."

Anyway, the next day I called her around noon to give her directions to come to my home and she never answered the phone. Instead, she sent me a text message around the time we were supposed to have dinner, informing me that she couldn't make it because one of her other friend's came into to town and she would be leaving to go back to Utah the next day - originally she said she was in town for a whole week. This was complete BS.

So, I know what this was about. Apparently our friendship was now conditional upon my status in the Church. She probably regrets sending me any messages at all on Facebook and setting up the reunion. Oh well, it is sad to think about it because we were really close friends and had so much to talk about. We thought of one another on occasion, but now it is all destroyed. She is not the person I remember at all, and the Church did this. This is what the Church does to friends and families. As I have come to learn, Mormons are only interested in associating with two kinds of people: 1) other Mormons or 2) prospective Mormons.

When it becomes clear that you fall into neither category, they piss on you like you're nothing.

Same thing with family. The church likes to present itself as pro-family, but in reality it is only pro-family if all members are LDS. My wife's bishop has suggested divorcing me for the simple fact that I no longer believe. Her salvation is at stake, after all.
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Yahoo Bot wrote:Yer not only a critic but a mean spirited enemy. And wrong. You must travel in odd circles.


LOL!

Oh really? All I am guilty of is embarrassing your precious scholars. You hate this and so do they, so your only response its to attack me for being a meany?! LOL!

Others like Nomad insist I am bragging about being smarter than them, but this isn't true at all because this is quite easy to do since they do not stand for truth. Once you have truth behind you, that is half the battle. But Mormon apologists don't have the truth, which is why they are constantly forced to engage in every logical fallacy in the book and every rhetorical strategy known to man. Hence, Robert Crockett, Dan Peterson, Bill Hamblin, Hugh Nibley, Will Schryver, Russell McGregor, etc. They only stand for whatever it is that can benefit their religious organization. If that means being dishonest, then so be it. The end justifies the means.

You hate me because I expose the lot of you. If I were an enemy "of the Church," I would want people to leave the faith. But the fact is there are many Mormons I know, who I wouldn't have any other way. The guy who baptized me for example. I couldn't imagine him any other way, and I wouldn't want him any other way either. I choose to hold my tongue whenever Mormons come over for dinner, or my wife invites the missionaries over for a "message," knowing perfectly well I could send them off in anxiety if I wanted to.
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I enjoyed your discourse and found it to be fairly accurate. I believe there is really something to the "Utah Mormon" as well, which seem to exemplify many of your thoughts here possibly more so than those who life in the "mission field". Someone should take your thoughts on missionary dress and elder seriously.

Dang Kevin, you should stick to more of this type of writing posting and put the whole book of Abraham/KEP nastiness behind you.
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The problem the Church has is that the general public is catching on to them in the same way the general public has caught on to telemarketing scams and pyramid schemes. And teh reasons for this is grounded in the fact that people are generally more informed today than they were fifty, thirty or even ten years ago, because access to critical information is more available to them thanks to the internet.

So while this apologist at FAIR raises valid concerns, I don't think it is a problem they can solve because however a Mormon now tries to do his best to be "genuinely friendly" towards others, the fact is that ulterior motive is still there. To get rid of teh problem, yo'd have to get rid of that motive, and to do that would mean a collapse of the fundamental structure that has domiated Mormon thinking since its inception. For the Mormon, the ultimate goal is working one's way to the highest heaven, and Mormonism makes this so time consuming and exhausting that ambitious members simply don't have time for things like friendships - unless of course they help them meet their ultimate goal. I see this all the time. People act ridiculously friendly during missionary discussions, but then can't remember that person's name a few months later after their "job" has been accomplished and that person has been converted.

This troubled me even as a member, when we would meet at the Church to organize "service projects," which we purported to be selfless acts of charity for the sole purpose of following Christ's example. However, as a member I knew that the only reason we were encouraged to do these things was because it helped us meet our ultimate goal, which is exaltation in the highest kingdom. More and more Mormons would be surprisingly frank about their reasons too, saying things like, "Oh we don't mind cutting your grass for free, because we need the blessings." So in what sense is this really selfless charity when the only reason you're doing it is for yourself?

It is the epitome of tribal mentality that is exhibited in bigoted characters like William Schryver and Russell McGregor. Whenever decent Mormons like David Bokovoy or Don Bradley show friendliness towards those they have categorized as "enemies," suddenly their loyalty to the Church is questioned. Schryver has predicted the apostasy of more members than I care to keep track of. He encourages the kind of social attitude that makes so many people dislike Mormons in generaal.
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Kevin Graham wrote:We shouldn’t fool ourselves into thinking that non-members weren't aware of the program. They know what the word “fellowshipping” means. They define it as “pretending to be someone’s friend.”

And it's not just Mormons that have defined "fellowshipping", even if a person hasn't been approached by an LDS missionary they have encountered this program.

Kevin Graham wrote:To Americans, Mormon missionaries are young men who spend their days knocking on doors looking for people to join their church.


"To Americans" implies that it is somehow a misconception on the part of Americans in regards to Mormon missionaries, but the truth is LDS missionaries are doing nothing more than looking for people to join their church. The truth is, the ONLY reason they knock on a door is to find people to join the church.
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KG,

I think you're thoughts are spot on about how non-Mormons outside the greater Mormon region think about Mormons. Begin rant:

We see them as weird, and the face of the Church to 90%+ of all non-Mormons are the missionaries, who come off as either naïve or dorks or salesman for a product that not many people want. Sorry but that's Mormonism in the eyes of most people, a bunch of naïve dorks. Maybe smart, maybe educated, but big dorks. Ken Jennings from Jeopardy? Smart educated dork. Sorry but there is no hipness anywhere in Mormon culture. Mormonism doesn't allow people to live like mainstream Americans live their adult, filthy, dirty-mouthed lives. You say "fetch" and "heck"...we call dork. And peculiar. Get out in the real world, away from Mormon message board paradigms of reality and get a reality check about what the average American person is. Half the crap mentioned on this board, really anytime that people talk about church members interacting with church leadership would signal WTF! to a regular person.

The average American adult watches R-rated movies and live R-rated lives. We tell dirty jokes, we drink beer, we bone our lovers, we watch football, and we don't want to go to Church except for one or two hours a week and never at night. Night church is for old people who are trying to get right before the end. We watch Bridesmaids and Horrible Bosses and every other gross out comedy that involves crap piss and the word "“F”!". We love the word "“F”". We damned love it. And we definitely want to wear regular underwear. You want to sell Mormonism? Switch to regular underwear and you're 34.6% there. You want to sell Mormonism? Don't make getting into heaven require mandatory tithing. Most people are casual about their religion when you get down to it, they want to go to church and get a warm fuzzy and go watch football. They don't want another 401k payment, especially one that doesn't match and that they can't withdraw at 59 1/2. You want to sell Mormonism? You have to find a casual middle ground for people. You have to have an area in the church discourse for casual members. People who want to feel like they're doing something "moral" and yet aren't going to be accosted on Sunday during football because they skipped church a couple times and crap.

You say go on a 2-yr mission? That's pretty extreme. You say wear those underwear. Extreme. 10% of my money? Xtreme. And on and on all the way down to the part where you want to pull me and my gf who are in our 20s into an office with some random guy and discuss our sex lives. He'll tell us we should get married and only have natural vaginal sex and that we should be having little kids who you can then ask about their sex lives. “F” that. Xtreme. And that crap isn't going to happen with most Americans. Wake up. That's reality. And that's Mormonism, extreme to most people.

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(I won't remember writing this so I apologize to everyone. I love you all. ;)
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You want to sell Mormonism? Switch to regular underwear and you're 34.6% there.


LOL!
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