More obfuscation in the current Ensign (Oct 2011)

[_Themis]

It is online.

http://LDS.org/ensign/2011/10?lang=eng

Fresh unguarded meat... HAVE AT IT!!

Shows that the OP was right.

[_why me]

http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnex ... 6f620a____

You guys need to become familiar with google search. Any member that has internet access can find this table and the accompanying information within a minute. I did.

Regards,
MG

Most members have to go out of their way to do this, and it still avoids all the problems, and the OP is still right that the article in question avoids those problems. If an article is going to answer the question is should at least answer the whole question instead of just bringing up the trivial matters.

Is this a joke? I suppose that the LDS church can put up notices every other year about the changes. Or I suppose that they can put it in every study manual and in the ensign every month. But here is the problem: people like you keep trumpeting the same tune even though the trumpet sound has been proven out of key.

[_why me]

Most members have to go out of their way to do this

Most members don't have an issue with it nor would they even if placed more prominently. Just because you think it ought to be front and center doesn't mean it ought to be.

The problem is that critics and antimormons keep bringing out the same old trumpet on their websites attempting to convince members that they have been cheated from the truth. The old trumpet is played over and over again without the benefit of a fine tuning. And the members who may find their arguments convincing, begin to doubt.

And that is te reason for the same old trumpet. Members need to fine tune their ears.

[_why me]

It is online.

http://LDS.org/ensign/2011/10?lang=eng

Fresh unguarded meat... HAVE AT IT!!

Shows that the OP was right.

Really? I suppose that you need to believe this. But you also know that it isn't true. The fact is the LDS church will never do something right in your humble opinion.

[Guest]

Is this a joke? I suppose that the LDS church can put up notices every other year about the changes. Or I suppose that they can put it in every study manual and in the ensign every month. But here is the problem: people like you keep trumpeting the same tune even though the trumpet sound has been proven out of key.

You could at least try reading what I said. Do you have to make things up about what I said? In fact lets look at what I actually said

Themis

It just not being honest on their part to bring up the subject and not talk about the bigger problems and make it look like trivial spelling and grammatical errors.

The issue is the church bringing it up and then avoiding the real problems to make it look like there are not any.

Themis

I am not saying the church has to bring up the issue, but when they do, I think they should at least be honest with it.

Now I seem to be saying here exactly the opposite of what you accuse me of. I think I deserve an apology, but I doubt I will get one from you since my statement below probably applies to you.

Themis

It's always funny to some defenders who will defend anything the church does. At least people like Nevo can admit such things on a number of things. Even DCP thought the church was not being entirely honest using pictures of Joseph translating the plates in full view of a scribe.

You are definitely not in the same boat as DCP and Nevo from what I have seen.

[_Themis]

Really? I suppose that you need to believe this. But you also know that it isn't true. The fact is the LDS church will never do something right in your humble opinion.

The evidence that I am right is right there. Go read it for yourself. You will not find the bigger problems listed. You might try being open minded some of the time, and yes I do think the church can and does many things right. I think many positives things about the church, and hope that it can change in more positive ways. I still associate with the church and especially it's members.

[_Morley]

The problem is that critics and antimormons keep bringing out the same old trumpet on their websites attempting to convince members that they have been cheated from the truth. The old trumpet is played over and over again without the benefit of a fine tuning. And the members who may find their arguments convincing, begin to doubt.

And that is te reason for the same old trumpet. Members need to fine tune their ears.

That trumpet sounds pretty in tune to me.

[_Pollypinks]

We miss the boat here. The vast majority of Mormons don't want to know about changes, and if they are told by the authorities, are going to take it very well, and assume the prophet has good things in store for them. Nobody reads like my dad does. I've never known a better read man, yet, when it comes to changes in the Book of Mormon, he's got every silly excuse possible. And this from a man who thinks 2/3 of it is trash, and got in trouble in church for saying so.

[_Jason Bourne]

So one would think. But most active members are returned missionaries or are familiar with one and many of those have been exposed to the issue. My sense is that most criticisms seen here are known to more than half the people you see in Church on any given Sunday.

Nope BC. Most have no idea about many of the issues. And most are not returned missionaries. Maybe among the men a good many are. But many women have not served and in places away from Utah many of the members are converts. So they did not serve missions either. And even if they did I do not see the necessary correlation between serving a mission and being exposed to numerous criticisms of the Church. I saw some as a missionary but ran into a lot more later as I read more and wrangled with critics more, because I enjoyed such things.

Honestly I wonder what la la land Mormon circles you run in.

[_Pollypinks]

All you have to do to be in la la land is be a female, start producing babies for the kingdom, and serve in the church. Your brain and body don't have any more time for much else. I know I've mentioned it elsewhere, so I don't know if it was mentioned here or not, but after I had two kids I had a hysterectomy. The Relief Society sisters would whisper in my ear, "I'm sorry." PHwat?? I wanted to produce brains, not numbers.