Fanny Alger

[_Pollypinks]

Why don't we ever talk about the disastrous relationships that were perpetuated because Joseph Smith told certain men to have plural relationships? Of the women left in dire poverty and ill health when their men went on missions? There is a supposition now that once plural marriage was declared null and void, that those marriages ceased. I question that. But there is still evidence that most of those women lived in horrid conditions, and the men really weren't required to do much for them. I can't imagine living like they did.

[_why me]

Why Me,

Do you think Warren Jeffs is a prophet or that his abuse of girls and women is of God because eighty or so girls and women in his harem do not think he is a horn dog? Can you find the moms and dads of all these girls who are denying that Jeffs is a prophet?

How about all the other cult and religious leaders who claim God is demanding/commanding they have sex with girls and women?

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Comparisons always do not work. Of course, we can compare present similiar situations with the past. No problem with that. But a present comparison with the past is nonsense. When we look at Joseph Smith we need to look at the whole picture and his motivations. I see no similiarities to Jeffs at all. Critics such as yourself bring up negative comparisons in the present to downgrade Joseph Smith with the past. Of course, I can claim to be a prophet and lure my followers into marrying me and then sleep with them. And I can claim to be a prophet. But after a while I will be caught out and my prophethood will end. Why? Because I was no prophet. And we see this happening in the present.

I see something different with Joseph Smith.

[_why me]

All those horn dogs were exposed by the media. Didn't Joseph Smith order the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor for exposing his polygamist relations? I think he was exposed in the same way.

I would have destroyed it myself. The nauvoo expositor could have been printed in Warsaw. Instead it was published in nauvoo. And the situation with the outside mobs were tense to begin with. Law knew what he was doing when he began his allegations. He wanted to ignite the mobs. The safety of Nauvoo was at stake and Joseph Smith did the right thing. However, he shouldn't have destroyed the press.

We tend to forget the Mormon printing presses that were destroyed in Missouri. Nothing wrong there, right?

[_why me]

Didn't several women speak out against Joseph's advances, only to have him call them liars and sluts? I think whyme is making stuff up again.

I think that many refused him at first. But after prayer and receiving a powerful witness that the principal was true, they agreed to marry him. And I am sure that there may have been women who went public when they refused but I am not sure about this. It just shows that women had mouths then. But these women would have been traitors. Of course, by going public with the principal the mobs would have come and burned out the Mormons with some deaths. Denial would have been the best policy. However those who were sealed to Joseph Smith and if Joseph Smith were a lustful horny dog, these women would have come forward after his death. There were certainly plenty of them.

TIger was not brought down by one woman. But by a whole host of women coming forward. And the waitress' mother came forward about her daughter and the press even had a video of them kissing and nothing happened. The press needed more spice and spice came with a stripper and a host of other spicey women. The waitress was ignored and I believe that she is still a waitress.

[Guest]

All those horn dogs were exposed by the media. Didn't Joseph Smith order the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor for exposing his polygamist relations? I think he was exposed in the same way.

I would have destroyed it myself. The nauvoo expositor could have been printed in Warsaw. Instead it was published in nauvoo. And the situation with the outside mobs were tense to begin with. Law knew what he was doing when he began his allegations. He wanted to ignite the mobs. The safety of Nauvoo was at stake and Joseph Smith did the right thing. However, he shouldn't have destroyed the press.

We tend to forget the Mormon printing presses that were destroyed in Missouri. Nothing wrong there, right?

No printing presses should ever have been destroyed in this country by anyone acting under color of governmental authority--federal, state, county/parish, city or other local government.

Do two wrongs make a right with the Mormon god? If you've been the victim of a wrong does that make it right with the Mormon god for you to then perpetrate it on others? If so, that could explain much of what plagues the splinter groups, including the LDS Church, since 1844.

If anything, the prior destruction of the Mormon presses should have made them all the more sensitive to how wrong destroying presses would be. Having been the victims of such a wrong, it is even more inexcusable that JSJr and Hyrum then ordered the Nauvoo Expositor shutdown and its type pied.

[_Themis]

Comparisons always do not work. Of course, we can compare present similiar situations with the past. No problem with that. But a present comparison with the past is nonsense.

Think before you write this stuff down. You are saying we can compare the present to the past and then saying we can't. Now we can compare Jeffs to Joseph. There are a number of similarities, and the differences do not change that. Jeffs is a direct result of what Joseph did.

When we look at Joseph Smith we need to look at the whole picture and his motivations.

I really wish you would.

I see no similiarities to Jeffs at all.

Apologists usually don't becuase of what they and the rest of society think of Jeffs. It's just not reality, and even many believing member know it.

Critics such as yourself bring up negative comparisons in the present to downgrade Joseph Smith with the past.

Not true. The comparisons are brought up because they are there, and they do say something about Joseph and his motivations and behavior, which is not something most people would approve of.

Of course, I can claim to be a prophet and lure my followers into marrying me and then sleep with them. And I can claim to be a prophet. But after a while I will be caught out and my prophethood will end. Why? Because I was no prophet. And we see this happening in the present.

I see something different with Joseph Smith.

You have to be one of the most biased people I have sen. They get caught because they are not a true prophet. Can you make a less intelligent statement. Also, Joseph did get caught more then once, which is why we are even able to have this conversation.

[_Pollypinks]

My goodness! So much is spoken here about the prophet. Well, I'll give you some wiggle room, just for assumption sake. Biblically we are told that prophets do not ever lie, or misspeak. Joseph Smith was off, how many times? Any one here know the number?

[_Brackite]

I think that the point is that Fanny, her parents and her brother never said a negative word about Joseph Smith. In fact, the parents and brother remained faithful. And fanny even when asked about the relationship by her son, said that it was her own business. Now I do believe that like in most marriages fanny would have told her husband about Joseph Smith and her Mormon experience and if it were negative the husband would have spoken out at some point as would fanny especially after Joseph Smith was murdered. But...all went well.

Fanny's parents never saw it as a lustful affair on the part of Joseph Smith. Mainly because it was all done on the up and up. And certainly, what daughter would allow their parents to be a member of a false church? And this is what would have happened after the murder of Joseph Smith. Fanny would have come clean and if Joseph Smith was a horny toad, she would have said so. When it comes to lust men have a hard time controlling it in the bedroom during the act.

Women know when a man is just in it for the lust.

Regarding the Fanny Alger issue with Joseph Smith, I do believe that Joseph Smith had a sexual affair with her. However, I do not believe that Joseph Smith seduced Fanny Alger to have sex with him. I believe that Fanny Alger pursued the affair, and Joseph Smith caved into it. I believe that their sexual affair occurred in the Year of 1835 when Fanny was about 18 Years old. Joseph Smith was an Alpha Male. We have heard a lot about Alpha Males from our friend Darrick here. I absolutely see No reason why Fanny Alger would ever complain about having sex with an Alpha Male, such as Joseph Smith. She very, very much likely enjoyed the sex she got from Joseph Smith. Women enjoy sex basically and virtually the same as men do.

[_Yahoo Bot]

Regarding the Fanny Alger issue with Joseph Smith, I do believe that Joseph Smith had a sexual affair with her. However, I do not believe that Joseph Smith seduced Fanny Alger to have sex with him. I believe that Fanny Alger pursued the affair, and Joseph Smith caved into it. I believe that their sexual affair occurred in the Year of 1835 when Fanny was about 18 Years old. Joseph Smith was an Alpha Male. We have heard a lot about Alpha Males from our friend Darrick here. I absolutely see No reason why Fanny Alger would ever complain about having sex with an Alpha Male, such as Joseph Smith. She very, very much likely enjoyed the sex she got from Joseph Smith. Women enjoy sex basically and virtually the same as men do.

Having read Don Bradley's excellent scholarship on this, now, it would disagree with your proposition or the one suggested by your sarcasm.

[_Brackite]

Having read Don Bradley's excellent scholarship on this, now, it would disagree with your proposition or the one suggested by your sarcasm.

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