JSJr promised Sarah Ann Whitney to PRESERVE himself for her

[_sock puppet]

In a post on another thread, thews quoted this passage about Sarah Ann Whitney's marriage to JSJr on 7/27/1842:

Her father, Newel K. Whitney, performed the ceremony: “You both mutually agree to be each other’s companion so long as you both shall live, preserving yourselves for each other and from all others and also throughout all eternity, reserving only those rights which have been given to my servant Joseph by revelation...If you both agree to covenant and do this, I then give you, S.A. Whitney, my daughter, to Joseph Smith, to be his wife, to observe all the rights between you both that belong to that condition...”

And here is the unpublished revelation regarding that marriage:

Verily, thus saith the Lord unto my servant N. K. Whitney, the thing that my servant Joseph Smith has made known unto you and your family and which you have agreed upon is right in mine eyes and shall be rewarded upon your heads with honor and immortality and eternal life to all your house, both old and young because of the lineage of my Priesthood, saith the Lord, it shall be upon you and upon your children after you from generation to generation, by virtue of the holy promise which I now make unto you, saith the Lord. These are the words which you shall pronounce upon my servant Joseph and your daughter S. A. Whitney. They shall take each other by the hand and you shall say, You both mutually agree, calling them by name, to be each other's companion so long as you both shall live, preserving yourselves for each other and from all others and also throughout eternity, reserving only those rights which have been given to my servant Joseph by revelation and commandment and by legal authority in times passed. If you both agree to covenant and do this, I then give you, S. A. Whitney, my daughter, to Joseph Smith, to be his wife, to observe all the rights between you both that belong to that condition. I do it in my own name and in the name of my wife, your mother, and in the name of my holy progenitors, by the right of birth which is of priesthood, vested in me by revelation and commandment and promise of the living God, obtained by the Holy Melchisedeck Gethrow and others of the Holy Fathers, commanding in the name of the Lord all those powers to concentrate in you and through you to your posterity forever. All these things I do in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that through this order he may be glorified and that through the power of anointing David may reign King over Israel, which shall hereafter be revealed. Let immortality and eternal life hereafter be sealed upon your heads forever and ever.

How do the apologists claim that JSJr kept this covenant that he made to god and Sarah Ann Whitney to preserve himself for her and from all others?

[_Yahoo Bot]

Does the Church teach there is no such thing as divorce? I don't recall that. The last prophet to have been divorced was, as I recall, Joseph F. Smith. Indeed, it seems from my reading of history that if a plural wife wanted out, the request was granted.

You're becoming the replacement Joseph poster; good job; keep the softballs coming. I wish there more non-anonymous believers willing to come in and respond to your courageous anonymous rants (so unheard of, really, for a member of the Bar to stoop so low), but you have me once in a while.

[_sock puppet]

Does the Church teach there is no such thing as divorce? ... Indeed, it seems from my reading of history that if a plural wife wanted out, the request was granted.

So, you're implying that from 7/27/1842, the date of marriage by JSJr to Sarah Ann Whitney he refrained from sexual relations with other women (including Emma, since she was "others" not JSJr and Sarah Ann Whitney to that 7/27/1842 ceremony), but that Whitney and JSJr divorced before his next 'marriage', which was the next month in August 1842 to Martha McBride Knight?

Do you have a reference to a historical record of this divorce?

Was he serially 'marrying' and 'divorcing' before 'marrying' the next one, and leaving Emma in 'sacred loneliness' for the duration of each of his other 'marriages'? Since wedding vows typically include foresaking all others for your legally wedded spouse, how did JSJr do in keeping such vows to Emma Smith? Did he divorce her?

[_Abaddon]

How do the apologists claim that JSJr kept this covenant that he made to god and Sarah Ann Whitney to preserve himself for her and from all others?

I'm thinking this line provides the "out":

"reserving only those rights which have been given to my servant Joseph by revelation and commandment and by legal authority in times passed."

perhaps those "rights" are the privileges to marry other women?

[_moksha]

And here is the unpublished revelation regarding that marriage:

... obtained by the Holy Melchisedeck Gethrow and others of the Holy Fathers, ...

??? Que es la Holy Melchisedeck Gethrow and others of the Holy Fathers?

[_sock puppet]

How do the apologists claim that JSJr kept this covenant that he made to god and Sarah Ann Whitney to preserve himself for her and from all others?

I'm thinking this line provides the "out":

"reserving only those rights which have been given to my servant Joseph by revelation and commandment and by legal authority in times passed."

perhaps those "rights" are the privileges to marry other women?

By revelation and commandment and by legal authority in times passed, JSJr had been reserved the rights to have sex with other women? And this does not point up 'polygamy' to be a mere ruse for sexual promiscuity?

[_Buffalo]

Preserve in this instance means no rimming anyone but Sarah Ann.

[_harmony]

So, you're implying that from 7/27/1842, the date of marriage by JSJr to Sarah Ann Whitney he refrained from sexual relations with other women (including Emma, since she was "others" not JSJr and Sarah Ann Whitney to that 7/27/1842 ceremony), but that Whitney and JSJr divorced before his next 'marriage', which was the next month in August 1842 to Martha McBride Knight?

Do you have a reference to a historical record of this divorce?

divorce? Divorce? In order to have a legal divorce, surely a legal marriage had to have taken place prior? Obviously these people weren't worried about legalities like divorce, since they knew the marriages weren't legal.

Off with the old! On with the new!

ARGH! I hate this! How stupid were they? How could a father do this? Why was there no one to protect these girls? Wickedness hiding under a cloak of piety. ARGH!

Nevermind... fathers do stupid things all the time today too.

[_Yahoo Bot]

So, you're implying that from 7/27/1842, the date of marriage by JSJr to Sarah Ann Whitney he refrained from sexual relations with other women (including Emma, since she was "others" not JSJr and Sarah Ann Whitney to that 7/27/1842 ceremony), but that Whitney and JSJr divorced before his next 'marriage', which was the next month in August 1842 to Martha McBride Knight?

Do you have a reference to a historical record of this divorce?

Was he serially 'marrying' and 'divorcing' before 'marrying' the next one, and leaving Emma in 'sacred loneliness' for the duration of each of his other 'marriages'? Since wedding vows typically include foresaking all others for your legally wedded spouse, how did JSJr do in keeping such vows to Emma Smith? Did he divorce her?

I imply nothing. Are you unwilling to answer my questions?

[_Chap]

Does the Church teach there is no such thing as divorce? I don't recall that. The last prophet to have been divorced was, as I recall, Joseph F. Smith. Indeed, it seems from my reading of history that if a plural wife wanted out, the request was granted.

You're becoming the replacement Joseph poster; good job; keep the softballs coming. I wish there more non-anonymous believers willing to come in and respond to your courageous anonymous rants (so unheard of, really, for a member of the Bar to stoop so low), but you have me once in a while.

Are you unwilling to answer my questions?

There seems to be only one question in your post, and I suspect that sock puppet was not alone in thinking it was a purely rhetorical one.

Do you think he disputes that divorce from plural marriage was known, at least from some period in the history of the CoJCoLDS? Assuming it was known, and that you can show it was in operation at the relevant period, then what in your view follows?