Conservatives who loathe liberalism at universities

[_MrStakhanovite]

Refutes your assertion. :)

Not really, this doesn't even begin to establish a link between correlation and causation, plus the definitions seem pretty elastic. Can it be said that Liberals totally dominate where only 67% find homosexuality acceptable?

I can see you need more time to think this over. :)

Not really, let's say I took this snippet:

The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities.

Could I be justified in saying that Liberals are sexists?

Considering the terrible state of Higher Education, I'm not sure Liberals would like to be thought of as controlling higher education, and to be fair to them, that would be too easy.

[_Buffalo]

Not really, this doesn't even begin to establish a link between correlation and causation, plus the definitions seem pretty elastic. Can it be said that Liberals totally dominate where only 67% find homosexuality acceptable?

This is called "moving the goal posts."

Not really, let's say I took this snippet:

The researchers say that liberals, men and non-regular churchgoers are more likely to be teaching at top schools, while conservatives, women and more religious faculty are more likely to be relegated to lower-tier colleges and universities.

Could I be justified in saying that Liberals are sexists?

Considering the terrible state of Higher Education, I'm not sure Liberals would like to be thought of as controlling higher education, and to be fair to them, that would be too easy.

The terrible state of higher education? Are you possibly thinking of public schools and projecting that image onto universities? The only thing terrible about higher education is the recent attempts to run them like businesses.

From personal experience, yes, I'd give it as my opinion that they're a little sexist.

[_MrStakhanovite]

This is called "moving the goal posts."

Show me.

The terrible state of higher education?

Yes.

The only thing terrible about higher education is the recent attempts to run them like businesses

Recent? Uhhh, no. Runs much deeper than that. There is a reason why all the Supreme Court is benched by graduates of just two law schools?

From personal experience, yes, I'd give it as my opinion that they're a little sexist.

Okay, but personal experience doesn't mean much when you want to establish about an entire class of people.

[_Buffalo]

Show me.

You objected my assertion that higher education was dominated by liberals. The study I linked showed I was right.

Recent? Uhhh, no. Runs much deeper than that. There is a reason why all the Supreme Court is benched by graduates of just two law schools?

Seems like a nonsensical nonsequitur. What specifically is the major problem with higher education in America?

From personal experience, yes, I'd give it as my opinion that they're a little sexist.

Okay, but personal experience doesn't mean much when you want to establish about an entire class of people.

Sure, agreed.

But isn't that the basis by which you claimed that "There is no liberal domination in Universities"? If not, what was your basis for making it?

In any case, have you given any more thought as to why this highly-educated demographic tends to be quite liberal?

[_MrStakhanovite]

You objected my assertion that higher education was dominated by liberals. The study I linked showed I was right.

What you linked was not clear on what was meant by “Liberal”. I’m a proponent of gay marriage and I support abortion rights, but I self identify as a “Conservative” when it comes to American politics, but I also would self identify as a liberal in other instances as well, like the more historic use of the word Liberal.

Seems like a nonsensical nonsequitur. What specifically is the major problem with higher education in America?

If it was nonsensical, you would be able to read it, and it does follow, because it shows just how closed off the upper tiers of education is. How far one goes in the Academe has nothing to do with talent or merit, but everything to do with pedigree, which is a quite an ill-liberal concept.

But isn't that the basis by which you claimed that "There is no liberal domination in Universities"? If not, what was your basis for making it?

The current state of affairs of higher education. If higher education is truly a Liberal enterprise, then it is a cruel irony.

My major point, is that it is too easy to classify diverse groups of people under a simple label, ascribe bad things to this group, while assigning good things about the group you do like.

This is why you don’t see me taking the line of, “Higher Education blows, and it’s because the crazy Liberals are running it into the ground.” That is just point scoring, it doesn’t try to understand the complexity of the situation.

[_Buffalo]

You objected my assertion that higher education was dominated by liberals. The study I linked showed I was right.

What you linked was not clear on what was meant by “Liberal”.

It is if you happened to catch this line:

"The liberal label that a majority of the faculty members attached to themselves is reflected on a variety of issues. "

Self-identified.

[_Buffalo]

If it was nonsensical, you would be able to read it, and it does follow, because it shows just how closed off the upper tiers of education is. How far one goes in the Academe has nothing to do with talent or merit, but everything to do with pedigree, which is a quite an ill-liberal concept.

But isn't that the basis by which you claimed that "There is no liberal domination in Universities"? If not, what was your basis for making it?

The current state of affairs of higher education. If higher education is truly a Liberal enterprise, then it is a cruel irony.

My major point, is that it is too easy to classify diverse groups of people under a simple label, ascribe bad things to this group, while assigning good things about the group you do like.

This is why you don’t see me taking the line of, “Higher Education blows, and it’s because the crazy Liberals are running it into the ground.” That is just point scoring, it doesn’t try to understand the complexity of the situation.

Considering the terrible state of Higher Education, I'm not sure Liberals would like to be thought of as controlling higher education, and to be fair to them, that would be too easy.

I'm trying to nail down what you actually mean here. Is higher education terrible because there aren't enough women there? Because the quality of education is bad? Because not enough supreme court justices came from Law School X? Because people are advanced based on pedigree? Any of these? All of them? And based on what?

[_MrStakhanovite]

Self-identified.

Just my point, now we have 1,643 different conceptions of liberal.

[_MrStakhanovite]

I'm trying to nail down what you actually mean here

It's pretty simple modus tollens.

If X then Y

If liberals dominate Academia, then we should see signs of liberal influence.

~Y

We see signs of discrimination and nepotism, the exact opposite of what any Liberal would stand for.

~X

Therefore, Liberals do not dominate Academia.

That's me being charitable to Liberals, and not trying to confirm some bias I have.

[_Buffalo]

Self-identified.

Just my point, now we have 1,643 different conceptions of liberal.

Completely irrelevant. You can say the same about any position.

"Hey, I just read that 80% libertarians have rabies."

"Libertarian by WHOSE DEFINITION???"

"Missed the point there, didn't you?"