How many of you have fake cried?

[_moksha]

I get the feeling Elder Eyring has it down to an art, though.

--Consiglieri

But is he as good as Glenn Beck? Beck can pause for a commercial break and resume crying on cue once the camera begins. Susan Lucci from the daytime soap opera, All My Children was reported to be good at this too.

Couldn't find any mention of the world's longest cry, but Guinness says the world record for longest sustained flatulence was 2 minutes and 43 seconds set by Bernard Clemmens of London. If any of you have ever watched Glenn Beck, you already know that Glenn could easily meet or exceed this record while doodling at the chalkboard.

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[_Scottie]

Out of curiosity, may I ask why you proclaimed you received a strong feeling that everything was okay, when in fact you hadn't? Was it an attempt to make those in attendance feel better about the situation? Was it an attempt to make yourself feel better?

Yeah, it was totally to make the audience feel better. What is funny is that the Bishop of the ward got up after me and spoke about how serious suicide is and something to the effect that he probably wasn't okay because he broke God's law. Dick.

Why is it that at a closer look, so often the "spirit" many speak of is nothing more than the embellishments (fake crying and cadence included), delusions, and even outright lies belonging to a herd mentality?

So true.

By the way, I'm terribly sorry about your brother :(
And I sincerely hope that even if you couldn't find peace that day within the temple, that you've been able to find it since.

Thank you. It's been 12 years now, and while I still miss him, I have moved on. Still, when people ask what the worst day of my life was, I point to that day.

[_consiglieri]

Yeah, it was totally to make the audience feel better. What is funny is that the Bishop of the ward got up after me and spoke about how serious suicide is and something to the effect that he probably wasn't okay because he broke God's law. Dick.

Why is it Mormons think suicide has such negative eternal ramifications when there is nothing in any of the four standard works mentioning it?

I think that, of all people, those who are so distraught as to take their own life deserve most the sympathies of God and man.

--Consiglieri

[_Nightlion]

--Is it possible that as the manifestation of spiritual gifts waned in the LDS Church, the man-crying thing developed in order to overtly signal the presence of the Spirit?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I've never been a big fan of man-tears. And I KNOW that the Holy Spirit agrees with me.

All joking aside, I often wonder if, sometimes, the Holy Spirit isn't saying someting like: "Oh brother, he's crying again? I'm telling you Jesus it wasn't me this time. I don't remember, did You cry much? No? Didn't think so."

John 11: 35
35 Jesus wept.

I thought someone was going to beat me to that quote. Whew!

[_Scottie]

Why is it Mormons think suicide has such negative eternal ramifications when there is nothing in any of the four standard works mentioning it?

I think that, of all people, those who are so distraught as to take their own life deserve most the sympathies of God and man.

--Consiglieri

I think the theory goes something akin to you are murdering yourself, therefore you must pay the same atonement as a murder would.

[_Buffalo]

I think the theory goes something akin to you are murdering yourself, therefore you must pay the same atonement as a murder would.

Hmm, well blood atonement should cover that in real time.

[_consiglieri]

I think the theory goes something akin to you are murdering yourself, therefore you must pay the same atonement as a murder would.

I think I have heard that theory proferred before, but one would think God might actually be a little more specific on the issue if our eternal destiny was riding on the issue.

(Sort of like masturbation.)

But really, how are we to judge a person's act when by definition he or she is so at the bottom of the well of despair that they take their own life? The pain is so great it must be ended by the most extreme means.

I honestly can't see God getting on board with condemning anybody for this . . . unless he is willing to accept some responsibility for putting them in that position in the first place.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Scottie]

I honestly can't see God getting on board with condemning anybody for this . . . unless he is willing to accept some responsibility for putting them in that position in the first place.

Well then the TBM's trot out the old favorite of God will not give you any trial that you cannot handle.

When people ask me if there is anything the church teaches that is not good, this is one at the top!

[_stemelbow]

But really, how are we to judge a person's act when by definition he or she is so at the bottom of the well of despair that they take their own life? The pain is so great it must be ended by the most extreme means.

That's been the general concesus among LDS for me. I've read up on a few pieces written or presented by Apostles and others that describethis same type of sentiment.

[_consiglieri]

Well then the TBM's trot out the old favorite of God will not give you any trial that you cannot handle.

I know that trope only too well. Of course, it doesn't say that in any of the standard works. What most Mormons are thinking of (if that is not being too kind) is 1 Corinthians 10:13, which says that there hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man, but God is faithful and will with the temptation also prepare a way to escape. (I'm going from memory here so don't expect perfection.)

First, this has nothing to do with suicide.

Second, and more importantly, if a person reaches the end of their rope such that they take their own life, I think by definition God gave them something they couldn't handle.


All the Best!

--Consiglieri