Peterson at it again, blasting away in the comments

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Themis wrote:You need to be less hypocritical and provide substantive reasons why some who complain or attack Dan are wrong.


I'm not sure what more to say, Themis. I provided the reasons why this thread, as started, did not make a good case at all. I provided the reasons why its problematic. I really don't think you'll read things in a more appropriate way either. That's why I bring this stuff up. You'll causually come in a comment about me, when this thread is nothing but an unadulterated twisting attack on DCP. And yet, you wish me to change my approach. Its amazing to me that you will not recognize the problems and instead focus on me. This place is ultimate in hypocritical and nonsubstantive--and yet you wish to complain about those characteristics in me. Yahooo...I ain't the problem. I'm commenting on the problem.

This is why you are looking like Simon these days who is now going after jon without any substance.


You know...Its helpful that you attack me and Simon. But I don't care for it.

There is a lot of criticizing going on both sides,


This is akin to Buffalo saying something along the lines of 'I see Scratch and Peterson as the same.' orwhatever he said. The majority of this is coming from the critics of LDS. What am I to respond to unless its attacks on LDS people or myself around here? Very little. Sure there is some, but often, even that, is peppered with ad hom complaints about DCP or some other LDS.

but I expect you can't see that very well. Some of that criticism is valid and others are not. There is to much on both sides for me to waste time dealing with most of it. I have a number of times disagreed with some criticism, and explained why I thought it was wrong. Now I may not be perfect and could have done so better, but I have seen some believers who disagree in such ways as to maintain positive feelings between parties, and have much more success. You might try this more.


Try to be more like you? No thanks, but no offense. I find your tack off-putting, biased and weird.
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Buffalo wrote:Maybe it would help if you could share with us what you mean by "whining" and "complaining".


I have, numerous times. This thread for instance. That's all infymus has done in this thread. You seemed to have agreed with me at some point. And other times I've shown many other instances of htis only to get people complaining about me in return.

Do you see any difference between those terms and "criticizing" and "attacking"?


Sure I do, but they all aren't mutually exclusive if that's what you think.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Maybe it would help if you could share with us what you mean by "whining" and "complaining".


I have, numerous times. This thread for instance. That's all infymus has done in this thread. You seemed to have agreed with me at some point. And other times I've shown many other instances of htis only to get people complaining about me in return.

Do you see any difference between those terms and "criticizing" and "attacking"?


Sure I do, but they all aren't mutually exclusive if that's what you think.


Could you provide us with your definitions, please?
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Buffalo wrote:Could you provide us with your definitions, please?


complain: to express dissatisfaction, pain, uneasiness, censure, resentment, or grief; find fault

whine: a feeble, peevish complaint

criticize: to judge or discuss the merits and faults of

attack: to blame or abuse violently or bitterly

from dictionary.com

Sure each of these have more encompassing meanings. this is generally what I think of when I think of these words in this setting.

You?
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:Could you provide us with your definitions, please?


complain: to express dissatisfaction, pain, uneasiness, censure, resentment, or grief; find fault

whine: a feeble, peevish complaint

criticize: to judge or discuss the merits and faults of

attack: to blame or abuse violently or bitterly

from dictionary.com

Sure each of these have more encompassing meanings. this is generally what I think of when I think of these words in this setting.

You?


I think I can agree with all these definitions.

Going forward, when you accuse someone of whining, let's be specific about which post contains the whine, and refer back to these definitions. Often I think you lump all these things together.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Buffalo wrote:I think I can agree with all these definitions.

Going forward, when you accuse someone of whining, let's be specific about which post contains the whine, and refer back to these definitions. Often I think you lump all these things together.


So then you intend to quibble about whether its accurate to categorize something as whining or complaining?

Have fun with that. If you don't like it when I categorize something as whining or complaining, then I accept that you disagree with me. I don't see the point of this other than to note that we may disagree, but we may agree at times too, i suppose.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I think I can agree with all these definitions.

Going forward, when you accuse someone of whining, let's be specific about which post contains the whine, and refer back to these definitions. Often I think you lump all these things together.


So then you intend to quibble about whether its accurate to categorize something as whining or complaining?

Have fun with that. If you don't like it when I categorize something as whining or complaining, then I accept that you disagree with me. I don't see the point of this other than to note that we may disagree, but we may agree at times too, i suppose.


I think that you often lump criticism in with whining, and the end result is you're often the only whiner in a thread you're whining about. If you're unwilling to be consistent and specific, I'll assist you by holding you to using words with precision and correctness. I'm helpful that way. ;)
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Buffalo wrote:I think that you often lump criticism in with whining, and the end result is you're often the only whiner in a thread you're whining about. If you're unwilling to be consistent and specific, I'll assist you by holding you to using words with precision and correctness. I'm helpful that way. ;)


I can't help that some criticisms amount to whining. you even agreed at some point that this thread amounted to whining on the part of infymus. Its not as if a whining can't contain criticism, or that criticism can't be spiked with whining.

I do realize that the word whining really struck a nerve around here when I brought it up.
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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I think that you often lump criticism in with whining, and the end result is you're often the only whiner in a thread you're whining about. If you're unwilling to be consistent and specific, I'll assist you by holding you to using words with precision and correctness. I'm helpful that way. ;)


I can't help that some criticisms amount to whining. you even agreed at some point that this thread amounted to whining on the part of infymus. Its not as if a whining can't contain criticism, or that criticism can't be spiked with whining.

I do realize that the word whining really struck a nerve around here when I brought it up.


The OP probably amounts to whining. But most of the responses do not, other than your own. You're really only adding to the whining quotient (which is pretty small) with your current strategy.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Buffalo wrote:The OP probably amounts to whining. But most of the responses do not, other than your own. You're really only adding to the whining quotient (which is pretty small) with your current strategy.


Thanks for conceding the point here, Buffalo. I wasn't sure whether you were trying to go back on it or not. Anyway, if the OP amounts to whining then why not expect whining to be the order of the day, or thread? Here you are complaining about me for whining but yet you didn't realize the OP was nothing but whining untilI pointed it out to you and you don't seem too concerned to say anything to infymus about it. You only wish to come after me for what you perceive as whining.

its weird stuff, Buffalo. If you truly feel it all as helpful then cool. I hear ya. You'd rather complain about an LDS poster who responds to incessant whining from those on your side, characterizing the LDS poster as the whiner, because of course doing that is far more suitable to your agenda then pointing out the flaws and weaknesses of those who wish to saddle up on your side. Liek I said, weird stuff.
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