666 on front of Nauvoo Temple?

[_Investigator]

inq, here's one that'll blow your mind.

This board originally had 6 forums, 6 registered users and 6 threads in each forum. Not only that, there were 6 times as many posts on the 6th day of each month and 6 times as many again in June each year. There are 6 mods, who are each from a family with 6 kids, but from 6 different states.

Spooky...

Is any of that true?

Christ's first miracle involved six water pots, so I know a single six isn't always "spooky," but I am interested in being able to demonstrate that multiples don't always have such a meaning.

What you said here (if true) might help.

[_jon]

inq, here's one that'll blow your mind.

This board originally had 6 forums, 6 registered users and 6 threads in each forum. Not only that, there were 6 times as many posts on the 6th day of each month and 6 times as many again in June each year. There are 6 mods, who are each from a family with 6 kids, but from 6 different states.

Spooky...

Is any of that true?

Christ's first miracle involved six water pots, so I know a single six isn't always "spooky," but I am interested in being able to demonstrate that multiples don't always have such a meaning.

What you said here (if true) might help.

No. Nothing in my post is based on anything factual or accurate - but in my defence, you started it!

[_asbestosman]

1 Kings 10:14
2 Chronicles 9:13

Ezra 2:13

I also hear that 6 of the apostles ate on one side of the table at the last supper, and 6 on the other side. That's 2 sixes. The third six is found in the six cardinal directions which were also present: North, East, South, West, Up, and Down. In fact, I noticed that my Bible has six sides: front, back, the binding, the top, the bottom, and then the other side.

Spooky.

[_just me]

6 moons at the bottom

At the bottom of what?

The six columns?

That would really blow the triple six thing out of the water here?

But it would still leave the question of whether triple six is always evil?

I read somewhere that when Salt Lake City was built, it was originally laid out in ten acre squares, each "six hundred and sixty six and three quarter feet in length."

Is that true?

Could God ever use that number in a way that wasn't meant as some kind of a warning?

There are 6 pilasters/columns. The bottom is a moonstone, the top is a sunstone. above that is the inverted 5-pointed star. So, yes, it blows the ridiculous 666 thing out of the water. There are also trumpets on the sunstones.

Humans love symbol and patterns. It's just how we are.

My question to you is this, is the triple six ever evil? I say it is a number. It has the meaning that humans have assigned to it.

[_consiglieri]

I think it is interesting that the stars are ABOVE the sunstone. That seems like an odd choice. At least if they represent the lowest kingdom of glorty as is often said in LDS symbolism today.

I recall reading somewhere that the sun, moon and star stones on the Nauvoo temple weren't put there with the idea of representing the three kingdoms of glory (which would almost demand a different ordering), but rather to symbolize Jesus Christ as the "daystar" who rises in our hearts.

I believe the ordering is, from top to bottom:

Star

Sun

Moon

The "daystar" would be the planet Venus, coming up over the horizon in the east as the morning star, with the sun emerging from the horizon just beneath it.

The moon stones are carved in such a way as to be illuminated by the sun above; in other words, the top side of the moon stones which face the sun are "lit" as a crescent.

It is an astronomical rendering in architecture of a Christological symbol.

For what it's worth . . .

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_just me]

I think it is interesting that the stars are ABOVE the sunstone. That seems like an odd choice. At least if they represent the lowest kingdom of glorty as is often said in LDS symbolism today.

I recall reading somewhere that the sun, moon and star stones on the Nauvoo temple weren't put there with the idea of representing the three kingdoms of glory (which would almost demand a different ordering), but rather to symbolize Jesus Christ as the "daystar" who rises in our hearts.

I believe the ordering is, from top to bottom:

Star

Sun

Moon

The "daystar" would be the planet Venus, coming up over the horizon in the east as the morning star, with the sun emerging from the horizon just beneath it.

The moon stones are carved in such a way as to be illuminated by the sun above; in other words, the top side of the moon stones which face the sun are "lit" as a crescent.

It is an astronomical rendering in architecture of a Christological symbol.

For what it's worth . . .

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

I concur.

(and am lmao at my typo in that quote)

[Guest]

1 Kings 10:14
2 Chronicles 9:13

I don't really know LDS doctrine on this, but some say Solomon died an apostate?

Does Latter day revelation say anything about his destiny?

Is he saved?

Lost?

In spirit prison?

In Paradise?

My question to you is this, is the triple six ever evil? I say it is a number. It has the meaning that humans have assigned to it.

It either signified something evil in the reign of Nero, will in the future, or both.

The question I'm trying to answer is whether it always does now.

If the pattern were really there in the Nauvoo Temple (and I were convinced that the LDS Church is the true Church), that would answer the question.

But it would appear that the pattern is only there for those who want to see it.

That leaves me asking if triple six (or six hundred and sixty six) can be found anywhere (or in anything) that isn't arguably evil?

If you rather not discuss things that are specifically LDS, how about things that most (or all) Christians would consider good (or Holy)?

Ronald Wilson Reagan comes to mind, but (while I voted for him, and think of him as a good president) I don't really think he was a believer (and I know he wasn't Mormon--and Nancy was into the occult, which many people would consider evil.)

[_consiglieri]

(and am lmao at my typo in that quote)

Hmmm bort bort bort!

[_Investigator]

I found this interesting (but I don't know if it's true?)

In the year of Christ 286, a most remarkable affair occurred; a legion of soldiers, consisting of six thousand six hundred and sixty-six men, contained none but Christians. This legion was called the Theban Legion, because the men were Egyptian Christian Copts who had been recruited from and stationed in Thebias in Upper Egypt. The Theban Legion were quartered in the east until the emperor Maximian ordered them to march to Gaul, to assist him against the rebels of Burgundy. It was the custom of the Romans to move troops from extreme parts of the empire to avoid the problem of Roman-trained soldiers participating in uprisings to free their native lands.

It should be noted here that the Egyptians or the Copts accepted Christianity so very rapidly to the extent that the Romans had to exercise a series of persecutions in an attempt to suppress the growth of a religion which openly defied the divinity of the Emperor. The Roman Edict of 202 A.D. decreed that Christian conversion should be stopped at all costs. The edict of 250 A.D. decreed that every citizen should carry at all times a certificate issued by the local authorities testifying that he had offered sacrifice to the gods. Those who refused to conform were tortured with unprecedented ferocity. Some were beheaded, others were thrown to the lions and others were burnt alive. All were subjected to even innovated veracious torture regardless of age or sex. The Catechetical School of Alexandria was closed by order of the authorities, though its members continued to meet in other secret places. At one time, the number of bishops was restricted by the State to three. The consummation of the age of persecution is considered by the Copts to be during the reign of Emperor Diocletian (284-305). So severe was the mass execution and the savage torture of the Copts that they took the day of DiocIetian's military election as Emperor to mark the beginning of the era of the Coptic martyrs. That very day marked the start of the Coptic Calendar known in the Western world as Anno Martyrum (A.M.) or the year of the Martyrs.

The area around Thebes has always enjoyed a reputation for its strong, almost fanatical, Christianity. The first monks in the Christian tradition, known as "The Desert Fathers," contained a majority of Thebans, and Theban Christians celebrate many martyrs who have refused to yield their faith to the many persecutions in the first centuries of the church.

The Theban Legion passed through the Alps into Gaul, under the command of Mauritius, Candidus, and Exupernis, their worthy commanders, and at length joined the emperor. About this time, Maximian ordered a general sacrifice, at which the whole army was to assist; and likewise he commanded that they should take the oath of allegiance and swear, at the saame time, to assist in the extirpation of Christianity in Gaul. Alarmed at these orders, each individual of the Theban Legion absolutely refused either to sacrifice or take the oaths prescribed. This so greatly enraged Maximian, that he ordered the legion to be decimated, that is, every tenth man to be selected from the rest, and put to the sword. The names of the soldiers were written on papers and placed in the caps of the centurions, for 600 were destined to perish as examples. These embraced their comrades, who encouraged them and even envied their fate. The plain soon flowed with the blood of the martyrs. The survivors persisted in declaring themselves Christians, and the butchery began again; the blood of another 600 reddened the waters of the Rhone. This second severity made no more impression than the first had done; the soldiers preserved their fortitude and their principles, but by the advice of their officers they drew up a loyal remonstrance to the emperor. This, it might have been presumed, would have softened the emperor, but it had a contrary effect: for, enraged at their perseverance and unanimity, he commanded that the whole legion should be put to death, which was accordingly executed by the other troops, who cut them to pieces with their swords, September 22, 286...

http://www.bibleprobe.com/theban.html