Conservatives who loathe liberalism at universities

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Re: Conservatives who loathe liberalism at universities

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Buffalo wrote:
"College Makes Students More Liberal." It was right in the headline, you know.


Which is different from education making students more liberal. There is also an increase in binge drinking among those who attend college. The reason may not be the increased educational opportunities.
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Morley wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
"College Makes Students More Liberal." It was right in the headline, you know.


Which is different from education making students more liberal. There is also an increase in binge drinking among those who attend college. The reason may not be the increased educational opportunities.


Right. Binge drinking makes students more liberal. Got it. What does education have to do with college, anyway? Completely unrelated!
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Buffalo wrote:
Right. Binge drinking makes students more liberal. Got it. What does education have to do with college, anyway? Completely unrelated!


I'm saying that one might infer that education causes binge drinking--which may not be true.
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Morley wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
Right. Binge drinking makes students more liberal. Got it. What does education have to do with college, anyway? Completely unrelated!


I'm saying that one might infer that education causes binge drinking--which may not be true.


On a related note, the peer pressure to join environmental causes on college campuses is huge. You're down in someone's basement smoking a joint and next thing you know 12 of your buddies are pressuring you to sign on to Greenpeace. A local frat at my alma mater once had a Noam Chomsky dress-alike slash kegger. The liberal/intellectual culture of the students themselves is inescapable.
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Buffalo wrote:
On a related note, the peer pressure to join environmental causes on college campuses is huge. You're down in someone's basement smoking a joint and next thing you know 12 of your buddies are pressuring you to sign on to Greenpeace. A local frat at my alma mater once had a Noam Chomsky dress-alike slash kegger. The liberal/intellectual culture of the students themselves is inescapable.


And your point is?
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Morley,

In your last paragraph which Buffalo quotes, you appear to hold an idea of single cause for something like liberal mentality/thinking.

If so, it’s an inaccurate idea. As some of my links for you demonstrated, “liberal” in terms of I thinking has multiple causes, not a single cause. So while it can be accurately observed that “college makes students more liberal,” it’s not the, THE single factor in what assists or causes individuals to be open to new ideas, new ways of approaching issues, new solutions to problems, etc.

The fact that university experiences in secular universities tend to open the thinking of students to new ideas is, in itself, evidence that education has a liberalizing effect. That is not to conclude that 100% of those who are exposed to these liberalizing effects become “liberals” as that singular term is used.

The time, place, circumstances, personal mental capability, parental encouragement to be independent, and many other factors are influential on how individuals act or react in a particular situation.

Is your only issue that you think Buffalo has not produced studies? If so, it’s a trivial argument in the larger context of what has been stated in this thread with regard to the liberalizing effect of exposure to education.

Conversely, we could establish that people from cradle up who are prevented access to information and intellectual analysis tend to replicate their childhood indoctrination that excludes access to information and accumulated knowledge.

For example, Amish children are reared in an environment that prevents them from having access to education. They are taught what to believe and they are insulated from the world. That does not mean they never see a car. But if they are taught only that cars are evil, they tend to believe that cars are evil.

Nevertheless, some thoughtful Amish children grown up, develop cracks in blind acceptance of Amish dogma, and move on. Some leave the religious group entirely. Some (though few) attend a university and become engineers or doctors. Granted, that may not happen to a large percentage of Amish. But, it does happen, and education (access to information) does tend, TEND to liberalize them.

I’m not citing a “study” here, because I’m not spending the time to do the research. But the conclusion that education tends to liberalize in the context of a secular university can hardly be refuted. I specify “secular university” to distinguish it from someplace which is funded by and adheres to religion and religious people of the same persuasion.

Liberty Baptist University, for example, is dedicated to doctrine over discovery. It does not have a nationally accredited department of science because it generally opposes recent discoveries in science. Hence, as a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN school, it can require of its students conduct and beliefs which are not so required by a university such as Indiana University at Bloomington, Indiana. It lacks a school of medicine. Only in 2010 did Liberty Baptist receive accreditation in the American Bar Association. It’s a very late comer into the 20th (now 21st) Century.

Liberty Baptist would not be regarded highly as an academic school comparable with Harvard or Yale. It’s a conservative school with emphasis on religion and worship. In fact, it “has been ranked in the Top-10 most conservative colleges in the U.S.” Source

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Morley wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
On a related note, the peer pressure to join environmental causes on college campuses is huge. You're down in someone's basement smoking a joint and next thing you know 12 of your buddies are pressuring you to sign on to Greenpeace. A local frat at my alma mater once had a Noam Chomsky dress-alike slash kegger. The liberal/intellectual culture of the students themselves is inescapable.


And your point is?


Sailing over your head, apparently.
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Morley,

In your last paragraph which Buffalo quotes, you appear to hold an idea of single cause for something like liberal mentality/thinking. .....


You are misreading me. Profoundly.

Please review the thread.
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Re: Conservatives who loathe liberalism at universities

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JAK wrote:
If so, it’s an inaccurate idea. As some of my links for you demonstrated, “liberal” in terms of I thinking has multiple causes, not a single cause. So while it can be accurately observed that “college makes students more liberal,” it’s not the, THE single factor in what assists or causes individuals to be open to new ideas, new ways of approaching issues, new solutions to problems, etc.

The fact that university experiences in secular universities tend to open the thinking of students to new ideas is, in itself, evidence that education has a liberalizing effect. That is not to conclude that 100% of those who are exposed to these liberalizing effects become “liberals” as that singular term is used.


I think that's right. I also think that, the extent to which people become liberalized through education is also dependent on their personalities. There have been a lot of studies linking certain personality traits to liberalism or conservatism.
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Re: Conservatives who loathe liberalism at universities

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Buffalo wrote:
Morley wrote:And your point is?


Sailing over your head, apparently.


So, help me out.
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