stemelbow wrote:Hey Keithb.
All i can say is, it seemed people misunderstood him. Everyone suffers when they do something they regret, at least to some extent. I think this is another case of making mountains out of molehills again. So I say so. other than that. Oh well. I'm not quite like Kimball in regards to repentance. I think I get the idea he's presenting and I can go with that--we ought to sincerely, genuinely feel bad for hurting others or sinning.
Really? MISUNDERSTOOD HIM? Look Stem you may be a nice guy but on this one you are full of the brown stuff. Did you read my post where I put quotes from the damn book? What the hell is there to misunderstand? I grew up reading and listening to this man. His gravely voice that came from throat cancer surgery commanded attention because it was so different sounding. He sounded like a prophet to me.
And you know what? I believed everything he said as if from God's own mouth. I loved him and some there is still much I do love and admire about him. But not this.
There was not making mountains out of molehills. He talked about sin being a nail in the board and there always being a hole with repentance a patch. This is opposed to the idea that Christ makes you new, a new board if you will as Elder Holland has noted in various talks. He said one who loses their virtue cannot have it restored. But the gospel new is that one can be made brand new and old things are dead. He said that if you have sexual sin you will always carry some guilt and that you may hold a child someday and have guilt over your past. He said better dead than lose your virginity outside of marriage, that such were damaged goods, that you should marry someone you have premarital sex with so not to carry that sin to another relationship. He made being forgiven and almost impossible hopeless task where many ( I have no idea how many but Google MoF and see what people say about it) including myself felt the impossible task of having to practically perfect ourselves before God with Jesus tossing in a bit of it in there. So many lost hope and were very discouraged.
You may have read the book but you did not live with this generation of LDS leadership. I will agree that there has been more of a softening and I do believe books like Robinson's and others have helped. Maybe the GAs have realized how impossible their gospel of self beating and work till you drop really was and how bad it was for members and really against what the LDS Canon teaches about this.
But don't you dare say we are misunderstanding it. We are not. You are.