liz3564 wrote:You still haven't explained how that is harmful.
Are you asking:
1) Why is it harmful/negative to teach people that they need to go to the Mormon temple, have someone reach under your clothes and smear oil on different parts of your body (without informing them first) THEN dress up in "cosplay" outfits, participate in a secret pseudo-masonic ritual/pantomime (that they have never seen or been allowed to discuss because its too "sacred") in which they pretend to be different people in a room full of people pretending to be different people while making covenants (that they were not told about beforehand) in order to become a god and in order to be with their family forever in the highest kingdom of elohim?
Or are you asking:
2)Why is it harmful/negative to wear symbolic reminders of your religion?
If 1), then I can point you to dozens (if not hundreds) of people's experiences with the LDS temple that led them to believe that the LDS church, that they had been taught and believed to be true, is a sham/cultish/disturbing/uninspired/evil/make-believe/a masonic-ripoff/etc...including my own...
ETA - "negative"
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"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
Darth J wrote: I know, Simon. It is all too real. Heaven is just going to be filled to the brim with Mormons and Freemasons---the two groups who know how to get past those angels guarding the way.
Are you sure you were LDS once? You have absolutely no clue what we teach, and you demonstrate it with each passing post.
(cue Darth J's random quote mine from a 1947 Ensign)
Are you sure you are LDS? You have absolutely no clue what they teach, and you demonstrate it with each passing post.
(cue Simon's whine about quote mining from LDS leaders he claims to believer were inspired)
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Simon Belmont wrote:Yup. It's not "pretend" or "cosplay." It is real.
Wow - so you REALLY become adam and your garments REALLY turn into "coats of skins" (as outlined in Genesis) and you are REALLY in the Garden of Eden? - I had no idea the LDS church started teaching this...Is this kind of like transubstantiation?
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
Darth J wrote: I know, Simon. It is all too real. Heaven is just going to be filled to the brim with Mormons and Freemasons---the two groups who know how to get past those angels guarding the way.
Are you sure you were LDS once? You have absolutely no clue what we teach, and you demonstrate it with each passing post.
(cue Darth J's random quote mine from a 1947 Ensign)
Yes, Simon. Let's do see that random, irrelevant, out-of-context quote mine from me. We've been waiting almost a year now.
I guess you didn't see the quote in this thread from Brigham Young in recent LDS curricula saying that the endowment is to get the signs and tokens that will enable us to walk past the angels who stand as sentinels to the Celestial Kingdom.
And maybe you also missed when they actually say that at the start of the endowment when you go to the temple.
Was it too subtle when I made my remark about celestial cosplay and pantomiming Freemasonry being a condition precedent to becoming an omnipotent creator of worlds?
schreech wrote:Wow - so you REALLY become adam and your garments REALLY turn into "coats of skins" (as outlined in Genesis) and you are REALLY in the Garden of Eden? - I had no idea the LDS church started teaching this...Is this kind of like transubstantiation?
Try to keep up.
Darth J said it was all pretend cosplay.
Next, almost without missing a beat, he contradicted himself, saying "no, it isn't pretend, those are the actual steps to Godhood."
Next, almost without missing a beat, he contradicted himself, saying "no, it isn't pretend, those are the actual steps to Godhood."
Ah, so you are saying that the pretending and "cosplay" are necessary for the "real" steps to godhood and that you don't actually become adam - you are only pretending to be him while pretending to be in the garden of eden...Got it...
"your reasoning that children should be experimented upon to justify a political agenda..is tantamount to the Nazi justification for experimenting on human beings."-SUBgenius on gay parents "I've stated over and over again on this forum and fully accept that I'm a bigot..." - ldsfaqs
schreech wrote:Wow - so you REALLY become adam and your garments REALLY turn into "coats of skins" (as outlined in Genesis) and you are REALLY in the Garden of Eden? - I had no idea the LDS church started teaching this...Is this kind of like transubstantiation?
Try to keep up.
Darth J said it was all pretend cosplay.
FYI: "pretend cosplay" is redundant. It's like saying "pasta noodles" or "car vehicle" or "boring church."
Next, almost without missing a beat, he contradicted himself, saying "no, it isn't pretend, those are the actual steps to Godhood."
Simon, oh master of philosophy: the observation that participating in the cosplay is itself an actual step to godhood is not a contradiction.
schreech wrote: Ah, so you are saying that the pretending and "cosplay" are necessary for the "real" steps to godhood and that you don't actually become adam - you are only pretending to be him while pretending to be in the garden of eden...Got it...
Nope they're symbolic elements necessary for the actual steps to Godhood.