Postponing Having Children

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Postponing Having Children

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Young LDS people are told not to wait to begin having children, but only if they have waited two years if male while on a mission. Why should one begin having children as soon as an LDS becomes an adult, even if not prepared when it might come to earnings capacity or being mentally mature enough to handle the responsibilities of being a parent?

Why should one who is male wait until after having done a 2 year mission before commencing the procreation? If he started at 19, by 21 he'd already have two more souls here in a Mormon household.
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Those two brand-new arrivals will take at least eighteen years before they begin paying any sort of a substantial tithe.

The two or so converts that male will baptize into the church will become tithe-payers almost immediately.

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The mission is a finishing process for Mormon males. RMs having kids are more likely to raise up another generation of thralls to the corporation in SLC.
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sock puppet wrote:Young LDS people are told not to wait to begin having children, but only if they have waited two years if male while on a mission. Why should one begin having children as soon as an LDS becomes an adult, even if not prepared when it might come to earnings capacity or being mentally mature enough to handle the responsibilities of being a parent?

Why should one who is male wait until after having done a 2 year mission before commencing the procreation? If he started at 19, by 21 he'd already have two more souls here in a Mormon household.

The mission experience does an enormous amount of preparing young men to be good fathers. It doesn't hurt the young women either, though my experience is that pre-mission women are usually more prepared to be good parents than pre-mission men are.

Earning capacity is usually irrelevant because extended family is usually there to help with that if it's needed. And if for some reason the extended family can't help, I'm sure a married couple who came to their bishop for help, due to the fact that they'd followed the Church's advice, would get the financial help they needed.
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Hello,

Welp. I'll tell ya from personal experience the Mormon mission does a tremendous amount of brainwashing for young Mormon adults. I came back from my mission with the idea that I needed to find a mate and "endure to the end". We both felt the need to make children forthwith and live a "Mormon life".

The good?

I have two awesome kids.

The bad?

She's still brainwashed. :/

V/R
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KevinSim wrote:The mission experience does an enormous amount of preparing young men to be good fathers.


Name one specific thing unique to LDS missions that prepares someone to be a good father.

ETA: And specify what you mean by "good" fathers.
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Darth J wrote:
KevinSim wrote:The mission experience does an enormous amount of preparing young men to be good fathers.


Name one specific thing unique to LDS missions that prepares someone to be a good father.

ETA: And specify what you mean by "good" fathers.


Why does it have to be "unique to LDS missions"?

Missions teach each young man the vital importance of planning out what one is going to do with a companion that man spends twenty-four hours with daily. Learning how to do that is crucial to being a good parent. I don't know if that's unique to LDS missions, but LDS missions certainly accomplish it for them.

LDS missions also get the vast majority of those young men serious about what they're trying to do with their lives. It's much better for them to learn how to do that while they're with companions that can be transfered out at the end of the month than with a wife and children that would be pretty understandably devastated if the prospective father turned out to not be as ready to commit to wife and children as he had thought he was when he started the family project.

What does ETA stand for?

By "good" father I mean someone who is going to benefit his children in the long run, rather than add more serious problems to their lives than he helps them solve.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:The good?

I have two awesome kids.

The bad?

She's still brainwashed.


DC, why do you think she's brainwashed?

Are you saying it's impossible that she may have made a conscious but logical choice to believe God exists, and that it's impossible for her to have logically concluded that God wants her to believe what the LDS Church teaches?
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Kevin wrote:What does ETA stand for?


ETA=Edited To Add
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Mormon men are put on a rigid schedule from the day they're born. Baptized at 8, deacon at 12, teacher at 14, priest at 16, eagle scout before 18, mission at 19, married In the temple at 21, first kid born ASAP after marriage. That's the divine schedule, handed down by the lord. You don't have to follow the schedule exactly. It's optional, but so are the blessings.
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