Yahoo Bot wrote:... in the Mormon Church leadership positions are where its at for many Mormon males.
Good grief. This little nugget is just sickening. I sincerely hope you are incorrect, Bot.
Agreed, but my observations are that if the Mormon male is an RM or has graduated college (and especially so if he has an advanced degree), it is a high probability that "Mormom Church leadership positions are where it's at" for him.
Yahoo Bot wrote:... in the Mormon Church leadership positions are where its at for many Mormon males.
Good grief. This little nugget is just sickening. I sincerely hope you are incorrect, Bot.
Harmony,
Unfortunately, bot is correct. For many men in the Church, it's all about appearance. If you have a more important calling it is perceived by many that you are more righteous.
In addition, many men in the Church feel that if they drive a more expensive car, live in a bigger house, have a bigger boat, etc, then they are more blessed and righteous. It's probably one the reasons that Utah is at, or near the top every year in the number of bankruptcy filings.
The message contained in the Book of Mormon that you will prosper and be blessed in the land if you are righteous probably doesn't help this mindset. Just my 2cents.
"I'm on paid sabbatical from BYU in exchange for my promise to use this time to finish two books."
sock puppet wrote:Agreed, but my observations are that if the Mormon male is an RM or has graduated college (and especially so if he has an advanced degree), it is a high probability that "Mormom Church leadership positions are where it's at" for him.
My bishop is a farmer. My just past bishop owns an agricultural business. My just just past bishop works for the city parks department running a lawn mower. None of them has an advanced education.
Where it's "at" should be being a good neighbor, being a good husband, being a good father. NOT hoping to be called to a leadership position.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Yahoo Bot wrote:... in the Mormon Church leadership positions are where its at for many Mormon males.
Good grief. This little nugget is just sickening. I sincerely hope you are incorrect, Bot.
Why are you surprised? One only need to serve a mission to know this is true.
This type of failing was evident in Jesus' apostles, with the mother of two of them coming to the Savior and jockeying for position on behalf of her sons. Jesus chastised them for it, but the simple fact remains that it is human nature.
And for many who fail and become anti-Mormons, they do so when they realize there is a glass ceiling for divorced men. (This is not exactly true; there has been a divorced President of the Church; there is a former member of my ward who was divorced and later became a stake president. But the exception is not the rule.) And they fail and leave the church because they succumb to human failings and human nature, the Freudian quest for power that should have no place in Christian society.
KevinSim wrote:Why does it have to be "unique to LDS missions"?
Missions teach each young man the vital importance of planning out what one is going to do with a companion that man spends twenty-four hours with daily. Learning how to do that is crucial to being a good parent. I don't know if that's unique to LDS missions, but LDS missions certainly accomplish it for them.
LDS missions also get the vast majority of those young men serious about what they're trying to do with their lives. It's much better for them to learn how to do that while they're with companions that can be transfered out at the end of the month than with a wife and children that would be pretty understandably devastated if the prospective father turned out to not be as ready to commit to wife and children as he had thought he was when he started the family project.
What does ETA stand for?
By "good" father I mean someone who is going to benefit his children in the long run, rather than add more serious problems to their lives than he helps them solve.
Missions are a complete break from reality - with the only rule being to follow rules. No worries about rent, food, keeping a job, maintaining personal relationships, getting good grades, etc. Just suit up every day and don't “F” anyone and you're fine. The idea that it's some awesome program for life preparation has more to do with the individual's response to the mandated self-discipline than the program itself.
"I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. ... Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I." - Joseph Smith, 1844
sock puppet wrote:Agreed, but my observations are that if the Mormon male is an RM or has graduated college (and especially so if he has an advanced degree), it is a high probability that "Mormom Church leadership positions are where it's at" for him.
My bishop is a farmer. My just past bishop owns an agricultural business. My just just past bishop works for the city parks department running a lawn mower. None of them has an advanced education.
I did not mean to imply that only those educated qualify for or are appointed to such leadership positions. My point was simply that those that are educated TBM males seem more motivated to attain and thirsting after leadership positions.
harmony wrote:
sock puppet wrote:Agreed, but my observations are that if the Mormon male is an RM or has graduated college (and especially so if he has an advanced degree), it is a high probability that "Mormom Church leadership positions are where it's at" for him.
Where it's "at" should be being a good neighbor, being a good husband, being a good father. NOT hoping to be called to a leadership position.
Agreed, but I do not think you'd find a GA that genuinely did not seek out such advancement. One of my MPs had convinced the zone leaders and assistants to the president that the MP would one day be a GA, he even boasted that of one group of 8 new missionaries from the MTC, after 6 months only 1 remained. I thought that frigthening to hear when I just arrived, a MP bragging about an attrition rate so high! by the way, he did become a GA. He attained his goal.
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Yahoo Bot wrote:... the Freudian quest for power that should have no place in Christian society.
Agreed. So why do you think it's prevelant enough to merit acknowledgement by yourself?
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Jersey Girl wrote: An all girl organization= feminist org=something to be feared An all male organization=religious org=something to be respected
That'd be hysterically funny if it weren't so damn sad.
Not quite, Jersey.
Girls are nothing but walking wombs, so avoidance of an organization that doesn't support that agenda is expected.
Boys, on the other hand, need every opportunity for leadership development that can be easily found and molded to the agenda of the church, thus Boy Scouts is a good choice.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.