Ballard, you are a pathetic, bold faced liar

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_Infymus
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Ballard, you are a pathetic, bold faced liar

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First, he fires off that the Mormons are the one and only again:

"This is the name by which the Lord will call us at the last day," M. Russell Ballard told more than 20,000 Mormons gathered in the giant Conference Center and millions more watching via satellite and on the Internet. "It is the name by which [Jesus Christ’s] church will be distinguished from all others."


Sorry Catholics, Jews, Muslims. When Christ comes again, he will be heading to Salt Lake City, Utah. First he'll stop at the food court, maybe visit city creek, take a peek at the million dollar condos.

Then, the lie that continues to be perpetuated:

"Let me state clearly that no polygamist group, including those calling themselves Fundamentalist Mormons or other derivatives of our name," Ballard said, "have any affiliation whatsoever with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."


OUR name? What name is that? the Mormon Church has had several names since it was first organized.

In 1828, "My Church". In 1829, "The Church Of Christ". In 1834, "The Church of the Latter-Day Saints". In 1839, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints".

Again, he perpetuates the lie that there is no connection between the FLDS and the LDS Church by stating that there is no affiliation with the LDS Church.

Ok, let's go back again because it is like a frying pan to the head with these guys.

There is a FULL relation between the FLDS and the LDS church. The FLDS church broke off during the first polygamy manifesto. They use the same Book of Mormon. They both believe that Joseph Smith restored the gospel. They both believe that Brigham Young was a Prophet of God. Brigham Young believed Joseph Smith was a Prophet of God. Both believe in eternal polygamy while the LDS church only allows polygamy AFTER a spouse has died, the FLDS believe polygamy is still on the earth. It is the sole reason they broke off from the LDS church - they believed the church had fallen due to Brigham Young's prophecy.

From WIKI:

The residents in the area of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona, have a long history of practicing plural marriage, dating to the mid-19th century. Brigham Young, then President of the LDS Church, once visited the area stating, "This will someday be the head and not the tail of the church."[30] The twin cities were once known as Short Creek, officially founded in 1913 as a ranching community.

The FLDS traces its claim to spiritual authority to accounts, starting with a statement published in 1912 by Lorin C. Woolley, of a purported 1886 divine revelation to then-LDS Church President John Taylor. They see this 1886 revelation as precluding validity of the 1890 Manifesto against new plural marriages by church members, issued by Wilford Woodruff, whom the LDS Church recognizes as Taylor's successor.[31] After the formal abandonment of plural marriage by the LDS Church, many members around Short Creek and elsewhere continued, and even solemnized, plural marriages. In 1904, the LDS Church issued the Second Manifesto and eventually excommunicated those who continued to solemnize or enter into new plural marriages.


Ballard is just trying to obscure the line between the LDS Cult and the FLDS Cult, both of which came from the same lying, thieving, adulterous, polygamous, murderous roots. This obfuscation started earlier this year with Valerie Hudson at FAIR, and is now being spouted off at General Conference.

Ballard states:

"Let me state clearly that no polygamist group, including those calling themselves Fundamentalist Mormons or other derivatives of our name, have any affiliation whatsoever with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."


Ballard, you are a pathetic, bold faced liar. And anyone who isn't drinking your brand of koolaid will find this out with just a few quick keystrokes on Google.
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Infymus wrote:Again, he perpetuates the lie that there is no connection between the FLDS and the LDS Church by stating that there is no affiliation with the LDS Church.


http://dictionary.com/browse/affiliation
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Joseph Antley wrote:
Infymus wrote:Again, he perpetuates the lie that there is no connection between the FLDS and the LDS Church by stating that there is no affiliation with the LDS Church.


http://dictionary.com/browse/affiliation


Right. Be a grammar Nazi, ignore the article.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/butthead
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Didn't he assert that there is no such thing as a fundamentalist Mormon?
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As I listened to his talk I had a couple thoughts:

1: He focused a lot on not calling the Church the Mormon Church but by it actual name. This seemed important because he wanted to emphasize that we are a Christian Church and be emphasizing the full church name people will understand that we worship Jesus Christ. You can use Mormon to refer to a member such as "Jason Bourne is a Mormon" but do not use it to call the Church THE Mormon Church. Again, being recognized as Christian was very important in this talk and the fact that many do not seemed an issue.

2: Next while he wants to be able to have the LDS Church called Christian he really did not like the fact that LDS splinter groups still are called Mormon in some way. This seems like a double standard to me. This is further problematic because (while I often do not agree) many Christians and Christian sects don't want to call the LDS church Christian because we are a splinter group from Christianity and one that is enough of a deviation in many areas that they feel we are not Christian.

3: It seems to me that the LDS splinter groups have as much if not more in common with the LDS Church than the LDS Church does with historic orthodox Christianity. If we want to be called Christians how can we honestly gripe about the splinter groups being called Mormon. Other than polygamy (which is still entrenched in LDS doctrine) and a few of the odd BY teachings that were brushed under the rug when he died, how different are the splinter groups. Oh sure some may argue how they teach and practice polygamy is different but I am speaking about the major tenants. Other than what I mentioned what is different?
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Infymus wrote:Right. Be a grammar Nazi, ignore the article.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/butthead


I said nothing about grammar. I was referring to your apparent misunderstanding of what "affiliation" means.
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Re: Ballard, you are a pathetic, bold faced liar

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Isn't it supposed to be "bald faced" liar? I don't really know for sure, but that's how I learned it.
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Hoops wrote:Isn't it supposed to be "bald faced" liar? I don't really know for sure, but that's how I learned it.


"Ballard faced liar" a new euphemism for fibbing...
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jon wrote:
Hoops wrote:Isn't it supposed to be "bald faced" liar? I don't really know for sure, but that's how I learned it.


"Ballard faced liar" a new euphemism for fibbing...

That's pretty good! I like it!!
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Joseph,

You may want to follow the link to the verb "affiliate" within your dictionary link. Pay close attention to definition #3:

3: to trace the descent, derivation, or origin of:
Everybody loves a joke
But no one likes a fool.
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