Boyd K. Packer says the end is NOT NEAR

[_Equality]

I don't agree with Peggy Stack's interpretation of what President Packer said.

Can you tell us what Stack said about Packer's talk that was inaccurate? Did she misquote him? What, specifically, did she say in her article that you take issue with? Thanks.

[_madeleine]

Most Mormons I know have a hobby of looking for "signs of the times". My mother, who is very, very uber-TBM, said to me not more than a month ago, that Christ might come before I am as old as she is.

But I understand what Pres. Packer is getting at. Years ago, I had a friend who didn't buy anything, rented his house for something like 20 years, didn't even a have a bank account, didn't worry about saving for the future, because he was absolutely convinced that the world was going to end very soon. He has since died, but, if LDS kids are so inclined to believe what they have been taught, and are looking at the "signs of the times", I can see how some would be inclined to sit and wait it out, so to speak, and not make any plans for a future that doesn't include anything that resembles life as we know it.

Such a head trip.

No invalid points. I grew up in the 60s and 70s. I heard all my growing up years how we had been held back for the end times and that Jesus was coming soon. Signs of the times was favorite topic. I was convinced Jesus would come in my lifetime even probably up to my late 30s. And while the Church never really did say it would be in my life per say such things have been strongly implied. We still here such sayings.

I guess a last dispensation can be a long time but how long? How many saved to the end generations are there? Me, my kids, my grand kids, great grand kids, great great maybe according to Packer's comments. Obviously people have been thinking Jesus was coming soon for a long time. Even Jesus and Paul thought the end was in their generation.

It seems all a bunch of hype.

I am curious, what do Catholics teach about this now?

“But of that day or hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Be watchful! Be alert! You do not know when the time will come.

It is like a man traveling abroad. He leaves home and places his servants in charge, each with his work, and orders the gatekeeper to be on the watch

Watch, therefore; you do not know when the lord of the house is coming, whether in the evening, or at midnight, or at cockcrow, or in the morning. May he not come suddenly and find you sleeping.

What I say to you, I say to all: ‘Watch!’”

Mark 13:32-37

Which we understand as teaching us to always act as a disciple of Jesus Christ, so as not to be caught unprepared at the time of His return.

I was raised LDS, in the 60's and 70's, my siblings have patriarchal blessings that tell them they will return with the saints to Missouri to build Zion there. In seminary, the teacher had this audio performance, an enactment of how the media might report on the second coming. I was headed into atheism at that time of my life, and was questioning pretty seriously what I was being taught, especially in seminary, which is where the more esoteric things I was taught came from. After high school, it was gospel doctrine which had the esoteric teachings, but by then, I was gone in spirit, still attending to keep the parents happy. Funny thing thinking on this, I was dropping my daughter off at jr. high one morning a few years ago, and there goes my seminary teacher, the one with the recording I just related, walking from the school to the seminary, right in front of me. It is odd, almost surreal, to have that "LDS life" walk in front of you, when you haven't believed for so long. He still looked the same, and I wondered if he was still teaching the really weird stuff.

Anyway, the LDS view still doesn't make much sense to me. *shrug*

Peace.

[_Gadianton]

I don't agree with Peggy Stack's interpretation of what President Packer said. Ididn't get that he was saying the second coming was so far off that it wouldn't happen before young people today had great-greandchildren, only that they shouldn't spend their days worrying about it. I understood it in the context of the scripture that says of those who are alive at the second coming:

Hmmm. I think Stack is wrong, but for a different reason. Let's say a young boy is 10 years old. If he's righteous, he will have his first child in 12 years. Twenty-two years later, if his son is righteous, he will seed his father's first grandchild. And in another twenty-two years, today's young boy will reap his first great-grandchild. That's 12+22+22=56 years. Well, Joseph Smith prophesied that Christ would return when he was 85, which would have been 56 years after the prophecy. It would seems that LDS prophets have a noble history of lying about Jesus returning within fifty or so years, but it's optional as to whether one emphasize this as "soon" or as "way in the future".

[_kairos]

I often email peggy when she has taken on a contoversial issue that surely draws criticisms from TBM's and compliment her writing and reporting-she appreciates getting positive feedback as we all do.

In the days she was editor of Sunstone, she made sure GBH received a copy( i do not thk the hinckster had a subscription :-). When GBH ran across items in Sunstone that raised the hair on the back of his neck, he could have brought the hammer down on her. Instead he used to write "My Dear Peggy" notes to her. i assume she had lots of them!

Of course he had Bear Packer to bring the hammer down on those who wrote too much of the truth and not enough 'faithful " history-and we know that story!!

i applaud peggy for doing what has got to be a tough job in Mormon country-Anti Mormon she definitely is not!


just sayin

[_hatersinmyward]

So do thousands of Mormons get rewrites on their patriarchal blessings? Or do they just get chocked up to "not being worthy enough".

Hopefully the Patriarch is closer to Jesus than Packer is. He's not of course, Packer is a Prophet of God. You'll be kicked to the curb for suggesting the first to a Bishop/Stakepres, Not to mention slapped around for posting such remarks in this forum.

[_daheshism]

I sent Boyd K. Packer an article about Dr. Dahesh, about 8 months ago,to his home overlooking North Salt Lake. The article said that the final Incarnation of the Christ-Spirit would be in the 24th century (2300s), and most Christians would take that as the "Second Coming". I sent all LDS apostles a copy of it about 8 months ago, to their homes so I was sure their secretaries/assistants would not throw it away.


I was told by older Mormon men, when I was a young Mormon in 1979-80 that Christ was returning in or about the year 2000 because...

Adam created 4000 B.C.
Jesus will return to "rule" the 7th Thousand Years (2000-3000 A.D.).

These same older Mormon men told that "Negroes" would serve us in heaven, and that if I "obeyed the Brethren" I would get many wives, and even have the priviledge of "begetting" Saviors on fallen worlds I had created with some of the most beautiful of my spirit-daughters.

[_Nomad]

I often email peggy when she has taken on a contoversial issue that surely draws criticisms from TBM's and compliment her writing and reporting ...

i applaud peggy for doing what has got to be a tough job in Mormon country ...

I'm sure you do.

All exmormons and disaffected Mormons applaud what Peggy Fletcher Stack does.

[_jon]

I often email peggy when she has taken on a contoversial issue that surely draws criticisms from TBM's and compliment her writing and reporting ...

i applaud peggy for doing what has got to be a tough job in Mormon country ...

I'm sure you do.

All exmormons and disaffected Mormons applaud what Peggy Fletcher Stack does.

I'm glad you avoid making unfounded sweeping generalisations Will..

[_Some Schmo]

Are there any quotes from other General Conferences where a GA informs the membership specifically that these are the last days and that Christs coming is not very far away?

Are there any specific quotes on this subject from Patriarchal blessings that people feel willing to share?

I remember my eldest sister being very excited to have been told in her patriarchal blessing about being alive when Jesus returned. She was one of the sweetest, kindest, and conscientiously believing members I've ever known, and she died of breast cancer at the age of 33, leaving behind a husband and three young children.

If she wasn't worthy enough to be around when Jesus decided to get off his ass and deliver on the promise, than nobody is.