I've switched sides...again

[Guest]

I fail to understand why God would create a system where your heart and your head can reach different conclusions about God when you use them in exactly the way God tells you to use them.

[_asbestosman]

We have another component to our being, whether we call it a heart, a soul, a spirit, or our "bowels."

I prefer the term, "bosom" although I'm not sure I really want to see Abraham's as such. ;)

I think it is important to be true not only to our intellect, but also to our heart.

I also think that many atheists also believe in being true to their hearts. For example, our intellect only tells us the consequences of things like slavery or racism. It's our hearts that tell us it's wrong. One may have a change of heart of change his mind, but acting against them is dangerous. You will always have yourself as a companion--at least until you get alzheimer's or dementia.

[_consiglieri]

I try not to attach certain meanings to the spiritual part if it contradicts to much the other, which has shown much more reliable explaining the world around us. :)

I hear what you are saying, but I am trying to get at the world within us.

;^)


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

P.S. I will try to get back to Chap and Jon later. Gotta dash!

[Guest]

I hear what you are saying, but I am trying to get at the world within us.

;^)


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

P.S. I will try to get back to Chap and Jon later. Gotta dash!

So am I. :)

Edit: I think the spiritual is important even if I don't think it is likely coming from any divine being, but I do think that if we go for meanings that the evidence does not support we are less likely to get to any possible accurate meanings, although much of the meaning is subjective.

[_Jaybear]

I don't think another could offer a fair assessment.

Until he describes his experience, you don't if that is true.

To describe a spiritual experience will inevitably be an incomplete look at the experience.

You know that because .... ?

To experience it is in itself part of the conclusion.

Again, you know that to be a fact because ..... ?

While I get your point (yes indeed anyone can misinterpret any thing and call it a spiritual experience or conclude certain things wrongly about the spiritual experience), overall I think you overplay your hand.

I simply asked him to describe his experience, explain why it led him to the conclusion he reached.

You can certainly offer your opinion, but offering that is not in itself actually addressing my own experience, which you only presume to judge.

I don't presume to judge, but i prefer to reach my own conclusion.

[_Nightlion]

Really? Just one spiritual experience? What did you do with it? Did it scare you and put you off the path? I know that an initial spiritual experience is jolting. You imagine that's as good as it gets. DUMB DUMB DUMB. Add to it the next one. If you are being led and drawn to come unto Christ don't imagine that the initial turn around is the end of the journey.

If you keep the first and continue to humble yourself then another spiritual experience will occur. It is interesting that all doubter explanations premise self delusion. Yet the rarity of spiritual experiences, even with those who have had one or two, dismisses this possibility. Do I have to draw out the logic? If we are capable of producing our own spiritual experiences you would have to expect that we would have many of them even more than we could count like dreams. Yet what people are willing (Darrick excepted) to count for a spiritual experience is EXTREMELY rare.

Does that not dismiss the case of the self inflicted, or self blessed spiritual experience? Well?

[_Themis]

I don't presume to judge, but i prefer to reach my own conclusion.

Agreed. I like to get as much information as possible, even though stem thinks we shouldn't be asking for details of ones experience.

[_Buffalo]

Agreed. I like to get as much information as possible, even though stem thinks we shouldn't be asking for details of ones experience.

Maybe he thinks we're swine, and is worried about faux pearl necklaces.

[_MrStakhanovite]

But based on my spiritual experience that I had over 15 years ago (and still remains fresh in my mind) I don't believe either of those things will happen. They could, but I don't believe it will.

Good luck Abaddon, I hope you find what you are looking for in the LDS Church.

[_Themis]

Agreed. I like to get as much information as possible, even though stem thinks we shouldn't be asking for details of ones experience.

Maybe he thinks we're swine, and is worried about faux pearl necklaces.

I do think that's how many LDS may view it, including stem.