Well its Started, The C word has entered the Presidential

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Re: Well its Started, The C word has entered the Presidential

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I suppose for clarity, I should say that I do hope Obama gets reelected at this point only because I don't see anyone on the GOP side who doesn't scare the crap out of me (although in that article, the LDS look the most sane... what does that tell you?) I suppose I hold out a bit of hope that, by not having to worry about another term, Obama grows a pair in his second go around and stops worrying about compromise and appeasing the moronic, asshole right like a guy trying to woo a chick who's told him over and over to get away. That's a very tiny hope, though.
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Some Schmo wrote:I suppose for clarity, I should say that I do hope Obama gets reelected at this point only because I don't see anyone on the GOP side who doesn't scare the crap out of me (although in that article, the LDS look the most sane... what does that tell you?) I suppose I hold out a bit of hope that, by not having to worry about another term, Obama grows a pair in his second go around and stops worrying about compromise and appeasing the moronic, asshole right like a guy trying to woo a chick who's told him over and over to get away. That's a very tiny hope, though.

You might be surprised at how gonadotropic a second term can be.
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Hoops wrote:so you're just another garden variety liberal. But, you're safe here. You will be cheered no matter how ridiculous your statements are. Good for you, I say.


Would you decline to vote for Romney because of his religion even if you agreed with his politics?

I know you agree with the idiot preacher's comments (as to the LDS Church being a non Christian cult) and that is your prerogative. But would if it were between Obama (I assume you are not an Obama fan) and Romney what do you do?

Or if you think Romney's politics are better than say a Perry do you vote for Perry over Romney because Perry meets your religious preference better?
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Infymus wrote:
It is time to find a solution outside of Washington and the Occupy Wall Street Protest that is spreading really has my interest piqued. Change needs to happen and it isn't going to come from the Rep or Democrat parties or Washington. Interesting that when the Tea Party started, it was called a peaceful protest. The Tea Party is calling the Occupy Wall Street Protest a Mob.

I am the 99%.

I've been laid off 6 times in 10 years. Since 2008, I've been out of work 20 months total. The economy was so bad, nobody was hiring, even if you had a professional resume like mine. I've lost over 150k due to layoffs and the housing burst. I paid $100k more for my house than it was worth due to hyperinflation. I've watched my lifetime savings dwindle to where I will work past 70 years. I know what within another year, our savings will be depleted - everything I have worked for and saved for for 10 years will be gone. I constantly worry if I will have a job next month. We save to pay high cost of health care bills, deductibles and denials. We save for layoffs and the ever rising cost of food, gas and utilities. I watch the value of everything around me go down, but I watch them raise our taxes as much as $1000 per year - forcing us to protest. It is time for change, NOW. It won't be much longer before even white collar workers like myself will be out in the streets marching on Washington and Wall Street.

I think the nation is heading towards a serious crisis and those in power right now couldn't give two s***s. They create laws and tax breaks for them, and they in turn stuff their back pockets with cash. It won't be long before these protests grow to where Congress can no longer sit and squabble, posture and act like school children.

I really don't give a damn about the Presidential race because as so eloquently sung by the Who... "Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss!"


So sorry to hear about your plight. It is awful and I agree that neither party really seems to want to work together by putting aside their ideological positions and compromises.

Can you share what you professions is? Maybe we can do some networking for you.

Facts are that we need to raise revenue and that means some increased taxes. We also need to make substantial cuts in defense and entitlements. We do need to focus on infrastructure and new industries such as green energy. And yes government can help businesses by targeting certian new and emerging technologies that may be struggling to get off the ground. It has done so with success in the past and can now and in the future.

Both sides need to give and take and compromise and drop the demagoguery.
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Would you decline to vote for Romney because of his religion even if you agreed with his politics?
Because of his religion? No.

I know you agree with the idiot preacher's comments (as to the LDS Church being a non Christian cult)
Oh? When have I said or written this? I'll help you. I haven't. But, let's make sure that anyone who brands LDS as a cult is a religious nut. Liberals at their finest.

and that is your prerogative.
Thanks.

But would if it were between Obama (I assume you are not an Obama fan) and Romney what do you do?
If those are my two choices I would vote for Romney.

Or if you think Romney's politics are better than say a Perry do you vote for Perry over Romney because Perry meets your religious preference better?
I don't. They are both equally bad.

But this little game of yours is tiresome... the list of questions to sniff out any potential - real or imagined - religious persecution.
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DrW wrote:I come from a long line of Mormons, many of whom were right of the John Birch Society, and have much to atone for on this Earth in terms of the political sins of my fathers.

If you had lived overseas during the Bush administration as I did, and seen firsthand how the attitude towards America and Americans suffered, even among our allies and "friends", under the arrogant idiocy of that man and his administration, you would not say that my statements were ridiculous.

It could take this country and many parts of the world 20 years to recover for what GWB and the Republicans did during his administration. If you had the slightest inkling of the damage done -- well enough said.

Nope, no "garden variety" liberal here. If someone like you knew how liberal I really am relative to most Mormons and Evangelicals, and the kinds of things I do to make amends and to try and bring balance into the world for the political wrongs that religion and my forbearers have committed, they would probably not sleep well tonight.

For a non-liberal, you sure trot that same old tired liberal lines. Your response here being typical. "Liberals are just so much more nuanced and cosmopolitan in there thinking." "I know more than you, so you're opinion is invalid." So, of course, you must be right.

Frankly, I DO say your statements are ridiculous, ridiculously wrong, including the one above. And you DON'T know more than me. That is just your reflexive, default position because liberalism is oh so well-thought out. When, in fact, liberalism is the height of emotionalism - see your comments above. GWB's policies must be wrong because Europeans were mad at us. Not because they were demonstrably wrong. If you want to discuss how they were wrong, fine, but it would seem that your position is that they were wrong simply because they were his. Like any other non-liberal. Kinda like the views of any religious person.
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Jason Bourne wrote:So sorry to hear about your plight. It is awful and I agree that neither party really seems to want to work together by putting aside their ideological positions and compromises.

Can you share what you professions is? Maybe we can do some networking for you.

Facts are that we need to raise revenue and that means some increased taxes. We also need to make substantial cuts in defense and entitlements. We do need to focus on infrastructure and new industries such as green energy. And yes government can help businesses by targeting certian new and emerging technologies that may be struggling to get off the ground. It has done so with success in the past and can now and in the future.

Both sides need to give and take and compromise and drop the demagoguery.


Right now I am employed. I'm a director level Software Engineer/Quality Assurance with nearly 30 years experience in the industry. The past 10 years has been very rough, especially since 2008 - not just for me, but all IT in Utah. And while right now in Utah IT unemployment is down to 2.5%, last year it was almost 9%. Who knows where it will be next year. Friend of mine is being laid off next month with almost 30 other people as his company is outsourcing QA to India. It's too bad, but isn't just Utah, it is America right now.
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Okay. I am not particularly fond of Mitt Romney as a candidate, but Rick Perry is right wing bat$h!t crazy and he scares the he!! out of me.

As some in the press have opined, Perry is GWB on steroids. So for my part, I hope the cult calling backfires on him and his campaign.

If I have to live in a country where a Republican is entrusted with the nuclear codes, I would rather it be moderate Republican who wears garments than an Armegedddon-anticipating, Evangelical, Day of Prayer fixes everything, nut job.


And if some of the rumors are correct, he displays the defense mechanism "reaction formation" quite well.
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Would you decline to vote for Romney because of his religion even if you agreed with his politics?



Hoops wrote: Because of his religion? No.


Terrific. You have jumped up a level in my opinion.

I know you agree with the idiot preacher's comments (as to the LDS Church being a non Christian cult)


Oh? When have I said or written this? I'll help you. I haven't. But, let's make sure that anyone who brands LDS as a cult is a religious nut.


You certainly have said that the LDS Church is not Christian. Over and over. You don't disagree with that at least? Perhaps the cult part you do not agree with. If not terrific. You jump up another level in my opinion.


Liberals at their finest.


Hoops reactionary comments at their finest. I am not a liberal at all.





Or if you think Romney's politics are better than say a Perry do you vote for Perry over Romney because Perry meets your religious preference better?



I don't. They are both equally bad.


Great. And sure both have some political flaws.

But this little game of yours is tiresome...


Oh boo hoo. Look Hoops I like you most the time but you tend to get awfully huffy at times. My questions were not out of line accept perhaps accusing you of classing the LDS Church as a cult. I guess I am not sure where you stand. But the questions I asked were reasonable.

the list of questions to sniff out any potential - real or imagined - religious persecution.


You make a fallacious conclusion again. I feel no religious persecution what so ever. Out os the republican base I like Romney in about second place. Gingrich would be my top pick. Romney and Huntsman tie. Right now Romney leads and I would take him in a second over Obama. But I find the disposition of many Christians, and perhaps more right wing Christians, bigoted. I would feel the same if Romney were a Jew or Muslim and the right wing Christians were saying similar thing. I understand why a Christian beleiver might prefer one of their own. But to prefer one of their own over someone better politically I think is foolish. Just my opinion.
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Infymus wrote:
Right now I am employed. I'm a director level Software Engineer/Quality Assurance with nearly 30 years experience in the industry. The past 10 years has been very rough, especially since 2008 - not just for me, but all IT in Utah. And while right now in Utah IT unemployment is down to 2.5%, last year it was almost 9%. Who knows where it will be next year. Friend of mine is being laid off next month with almost 30 other people as his company is outsourcing QA to India. It's too bad, but isn't just Utah, it is America right now.



I understand. I have a client that is an independent IT type that does similar work as you do. He is in California but originally from my area. He has suffered similar ups and downs as you. The late and early 2000s he had his pick of work. Now it is huge struggle for him.
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