Well its Started, The C word has entered the Presidential

[_honorentheos]

Any candidate who believes the answers to life's difficult questions lie in his/her own head is an arrogant fool.

I find this assessment interesting. I'm curious, Hoops - is this your view of how atheists see things? That they believe they have the answers to life's difficult questions, coming from within their own heads?

And I suppose the opposite of this is to believe that others also have the answers to life's difficult questions, just from some other source that does not include one's self or another's invention?

Do you think another option may be on the table? That being - accepting that none of us may have the answers to life's difficult questions?

Anyway, I apologize for interupting but this phrase really jumped out at me as...odd.

[_honorentheos]

Liberals are so interesting.

Hi Hoops,

I was curious about your views on the Patient Protection and Affordable Health care Act? Most conservatives know it better as ObamaCare.

First, as a christian, I wonder if you feel the following align well with your Christian values? -

• Providing help to people with long-term illnesses whose treatment would overrun lifetime dollar limits on essential health coverage

• Preventing children with pre-existing conditions from being excluded from their parent's health care plan. This is including having a disability

• Providing help for people who are "medically uninsurable" because the risk to a health insurance company is too great. Kind of an "anti-death panel" if you will. Unlike, say, the board of directors at a health insurance company...Anywho...

• Providing relief to people making less than $88,000 for a family of four today to apply to health care coverage

As someone who has to pay for health care, I wonder how your values align with this? -

• Requiring that 80 cents of every dollar in premiums from individuals and small employers be spent on medical care. (Reread that one. It seldom gets talked about and is one of the reasons some people will never call this bill by it's real name - ObamaCare helps focus the mind on ObamatheAnti-Christ rather than protecting patients and providing affordable health care)

Perhaps you've heard from a business owner that health care costs are going up because of ACA? Consider this study - Kaiser Report


9% Increase in costs to employers!!? Check this about why - Breaking Down the Numbers

For those who didn't follow the link, it's estimated that 1-2% of that 9% is related to ACA. The other? Mostly insurance companies adding to their profits. Think about that - hating "ObamaCare" is actually working against every single health care-paying business because it is creating a screen behind which companies and employees are being robbed.

And before you get all dreamy-eyed looking back to those great policies of GWB, take a ride on this time-machine - Wat?! Things Were Worse Under Bush?!! GTFO!

I state the above because it's a common complaint when I ask a conservative what it is about the President that they hate. Personally I find middle class conservatives interesting myself. Mainly because I don't understand, "Why?" Just simply, "Why?"

Maybe you could shed some light on that for me, too.

[_Quasimodo]

]Fair enough. I'll assume you allow the same freedom for religionists to require a strong belief from their candidates.

Absolutely! Just my own opinion.

One could make the same argument of atheists.

I don't think so. Atheists usually are without strong opinions in matters of religion. It's the lack of opinion (belief) that makes them atheists.

If they're religious now, one would assume that they've continued to be taught as adults.

What they learned as children is the reason they still believe. If they had approached religion as adults, they would not believe. Neither would you if you were given the chose now, instead of in your childhood.

Quite true.

Cool.

There's all kinds of questionable dogma out there. Conservatism and liberalism are two that I can think of. I don't think you'll find any candidate who can satisfy this.

Mores the pity. I'm still hoping.

Fair enough again. Any candidate who believes the answers to life's difficult questions lie in his/her own head is an arrogant fool. Two sides of the same coin.

I can truly agree with this!

[_DarkHelmet]

It's funny that the most normal candidate is the Mormon guy.

[_DrW]

From a post by Strong Free and Thankful over at postmo:

Just got on here to post that I heard CNN defending Mormonism tonight. They said it was religious prejedice and of course Mormonism is not a cult! Really???

The LDS Cult talked us into taking a "Death Oath" in their temples until 1990. Mitt took that oath before he went on his mission and made a sign of cutting his throat and more.

He also took an oath wherein he agreed to pledge EVERYTHING he owns or ever will own to the Mormon Church. Does that include the Presidency? So how come the FLDS is a cult but LDS is not? They both got started by the same pedofile and murdering prophets?

I absolutley renounce that ugly death oath they had me make while I was brainwashed by them! Ugly! Awful! So Wrong!

Should not Mitt renounce his Mormon oaths before he attempts to be President? Perhaps we should all write CNN letters or emails or tweets. Their credibility is at stake. Its not that hard to discover that it dang sure IS A CULT! Apparantly, they did not do their homework on this one.

Here is their information if you care to voice your opinion:

CNN
PO Box 105366
One CNN Center
Alanta, GA 30348
(404) 827-1500 Option 1

CNN.com/feedback

You can also contact their Washington office:
CNN
1 Time Warner Center
New York, NY 10019
(212) 275-7800

Perhaps some of the believers here could tell why this poster is wrong and why they believe that Romney would have no moral obligation to renounce his oaths before becoming President, were he to be elected.

[_Quasimodo]

It's funny that the most normal candidate is the Mormon guy.

Maybe not funny. I'm thinking it's sad that the most reasonable Republican in the race is Mitt Romney. What does that say about the rest of them? The Republican party used to be sane (if not bright). What happened to them? What does it all mean?

[_moksha]

I'm thinking it's sad that the most reasonable Republican in the race is Mitt Romney. What does that say about the rest of them? The Republican party used to be sane (if not bright). What happened to them? What does it all mean?

I think it means that backroom politics are so important that the dumbest and most easily persuadable politicians are being thrust onto the national stage of the Republican party, except for the Mormon politicians - they don't fit the mold. In Utah, backroom politics are entirely different. Sure, there are lobbyists bribing away, but the real decision makers are decent religious folk.

by the way, Quasimodo, I think Jon Huntsman is the most reasonable Republican. That is his burden.

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[_Quasimodo]

Perhaps some of the believers here could tell why this poster is wrong and why they believe that Romney would have no moral obligation to renounce his oaths before becoming President, were he to be elected.

I'm not a believer, so I may be posting out of turn (sorry).

My concern is that whatever Mitt says, the LDS church will try (as it must) to influence a Mormon President's decisions.

I'm not happy with that.

[_Quasimodo]

I'm thinking it's sad that the most reasonable Republican in the race is Mitt Romney. What does that say about the rest of them? The Republican party used to be sane (if not bright). What happened to them? What does it all mean?

I think it means that backroom politics are so important that the dumbest and most easily persuadable politicians are being thrust onto the national stage of the Republican party, except for the Mormon politicians - they don't fit the mold. In Utah, backroom politics are entirely different. Sure, there are lobbyists bribing away, but the real decision makers are decent religious folk.

by the way, Quasimodo, I think Jon Huntsman is the most reasonable Republican. That is his burden.

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Hi Mok!

I have some knowledge of Utah backroom politics. They work the same. There are very few "decent religious folks" in Utah politics. Just those that pretend to be.

I agree that Huntsman is the best that the Republicans have mustered so far. I'm guessing (as you) that it will doom him. "Reasonable" is a dirty word in the Republican world right now.

[_hugh jass]

"Homophobia" and now we have "Mormonphobia"!

Mormons in the presidential race will make this re-election season must watch TV.