The Double Standard in the LDS Law of Chastity (pic heavy)

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I see you're still as mentally unstable as you were just a couple of years ago. Very similar to Mr. Graham's rapid intellectual deterioration over a relatively short span of time.

Almost Lovecraftian in proportion.



You're a nut, Droopy. What makes me unstable because I enjoy a beautiful pic of two men showing effection in a natural and loving way? What makes me unstable because I'm naturally attracted to men just as much as any man is attracted to a women? I've lived long enough to figure it out and come to just conclusions.

You're so wrong, Droopy.

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Droopy wrote: you and the other liberals here to wallow in the productions of a mind saturated with exhibitionistic Gay camp and a kind of cultural necrophilia that revels in perversity and sociocultural degeneration for the sake of its own aesthetic value


Droopy, do you remember about a year ago, when I asked you why---if equal protection for gay people is a "liberal" issue---the plaintiffs' attorney in Perry v. Schwarzenegger is well-known as being a conservative?

Did you ever invent an explanation for that?

as a poke in Jesus' eye.


I would like to see a direct quote from Jesus regarding his feelings about gay people.

Not the paid LDS ministry known as General Authorities putting words in Jesus' mouth. Directly from Jesus.

Could you refer me to such a direct quote?

Beyond that, there's hardly anything here worth responding to at all.


Thank you for conceding the point that the LDS Church's banal platitudes about loving gay people and treating them equally as long as they live the law of chastity are in fact nothing but banal platitudes.
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How do you distinguish what you call 'sociocultural degeneration' from what most call 'progress'?


I'd ask for a CFR on this claim (even if it wasn't a clear case of argumentum ad populum), but why waste the effort?
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Shulem wrote:
I see you're still as mentally unstable as you were just a couple of years ago. Very similar to Mr. Graham's rapid intellectual deterioration over a relatively short span of time.

Almost Lovecraftian in proportion.



You're a nut, Droopy. What makes me unstable because I enjoy a beautiful pic of two men showing effection in a natural and loving way? What makes me unstable because I'm naturally attracted to men just as much as any man is attracted to a women? I've lived long enough to figure it out and come to just conclusions.

You're so wrong, Droopy.

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I personally don't care if people choose to live a homosexual life here on earth. In the hereafter there will be no homosexual relations, just heterosexual relations, so why should there be any endorsement of that type of lifestyle within the church?
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Droopy, do you remember about a year ago, when I asked you why---if equal protection for gay people is a "liberal" issue---the plaintiffs' attorney in Perry v. Schwarzenegger is well-known as being a conservative?


I don't know. Perhaps the plaintiff's attorney here is a dip in the road. Perhaps he's not really a "conservative" in a substantive intellectual sense (terming certain useful examples (Brooks, Bernake et al, et al) as "conservatives" and then holding others to their standards is a well worn trick I've long grown used to fielding). Perhaps he has personal, emotional or psychological reasons. Do you know? No, I didn't think so.

The one thing I do know is that, from a constitutional and philosophical perspective, homosexual marriage is not an equal protection issue at all. That sophistry is easy to knock out of the ballpark, and I and others have done it time and again.

I would like to see a direct quote from Jesus regarding his feelings about gay people.


Jesus apparently never wrote a book. His apostles, however, did do a great deal of writing, and they, whom Jesus tells us if we do not hear, will not hear him, have made a number of clear statements on the subject, in both ancient and modern times.

Thank you for conceding the point that the LDS Church's banal platitudes about loving gay people and treating them equally as long as they live the law of chastity are in fact nothing but banal platitudes.


Your own personal phantasm regarding the nature of most homosexual relationships, as well as your substantial misunderstandings (or, more likely, willful misconstrual) of the text of the constitution, have painted you into a corner that allows you very, very little intellectual or moral breathing room.
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Droopy wrote: His apostles, however, did do a great deal of writing, and they, whom Jesus tells us if we do not hear, will not hear him,


Errm, that reduces to 'His apostles said that Jesus said that we have to listen to his apostles'?

Just saying ...
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Chap wrote:
Droopy wrote: His apostles, however, did do a great deal of writing, and they, whom Jesus tells us if we do not hear, will not hear him,


Errm, that reduces to 'His apostles said that Jesus said that we have to listen to his apostles'?

Just saying ...

There's that old, pesky 'putting your faith in the arm of flesh' thing again. Organized religion, where god's message comes to men through other men, just can't shake that shortcoming.
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Droopy wrote:Your own personal phantasm regarding the nature of most homosexual relationships


You know, I frankly don't give a damn about the nature of other peoples' sexual relationships. I therefore have no fantasies about them (I really think the use of 'phantasm' here is pretentious and distracting, but then that's ol' Droopy).

I am unsure what meaningfully can be said about 'the nature of most heterosexual relationships', or 'the nature of most homosexual relationships', given their intensely private nature in most cases, and I don't think it is much of my business so long as freely consenting adults are involved, and they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses.

If on the other hand two people of any sex (or a pair of hermaphrodites or a pair of sexually modified people, or any combination of the above with any combination of normally gendered people) want to live together in mutual solidarity and love long term, and want the benefits of a socially and legally sanctioned partnership with all the conveniences of inheritance and so on ... I am just fine with that.

It seems that as generations change, my attitude is moving steadily towards becoming the permanent majority attitude in the US. That's democracy for you! But maybe Jesus will return in time to stop it, and Droopy will be saved from the horror that would otherwise overwhelm him.
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CSA wrote:I personally don't care if people choose to live a homosexual life here on earth. In the hereafter there will be no homosexual relations, just heterosexual relations, so why should there be any endorsement of that type of lifestyle within the church?


Actually... you don't know anything about the hereafter. No one does. You don't know if there even IS a hereafter. You just hope there is, and that is conforms to whatever you've been taught.

Another one of those not "knowing" things.
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