Buffalo wrote: It's calculated based on the generations given in the Old Testament. But you knew that.
So when you say, "The Bible says..." or "scripture says..." or something like that, you're just lying again. Because you really don't know the biblical record do you.
I'm sorry that your unfamiliarity with Biblical genealogies combined with your inability to understand simple addition has given you that impression.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
jon wrote:Speaking of science...here is proof that the second coming is on it's way.
These signs of the Second Coming are all around us and seem to be increasing in frequency and intensity. For example, the list of major earthquakes in The World Almanac and Book of Facts, 2004 shows twice as many earthquakes in the decades of the 1980s and 1990s as in the two preceding decades (pp. 189–90). It also shows further sharp increases in the first several years of this century. The list of notable floods and tidal waves and the list of hurricanes, typhoons, and blizzards worldwide show similar increases in recent years (pp. 188–89). Increases by comparison with 50 years ago can be dismissed as changes in reporting criteria, but the accelerating pattern of natural disasters in the last few decades is ominous.
So stick that in your collective pipe and smoke it Scientists!
Reference, please.
Thanks.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
jon wrote:Speaking of science...here is proof that the second coming is on it's way.
These signs of the Second Coming are all around us and seem to be increasing in frequency and intensity. For example, the list of major earthquakes in The World Almanac and Book of Facts, 2004 shows twice as many earthquakes in the decades of the 1980s and 1990s as in the two preceding decades (pp. 189–90). It also shows further sharp increases in the first several years of this century. The list of notable floods and tidal waves and the list of hurricanes, typhoons, and blizzards worldwide show similar increases in recent years (pp. 188–89). Increases by comparison with 50 years ago can be dismissed as changes in reporting criteria, but the accelerating pattern of natural disasters in the last few decades is ominous.
So stick that in your collective pipe and smoke it Scientists!
Reference, please.
Thanks.
Dallin H. Oaks of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles - April 2004
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
DrW wrote: All three of my sons are TBM, have advanced degrees in science or medicine, and are able (so far) to live with the tremendous amount of cog dis that believing Mormons in the hard sciences are obliged to manage. When I look back at my journey out of Mormonism, I see that they are a bit behind for their ages. However, I have no doubt that two of them will make it out. The third one may not. Leaving would probably cost him his family at this point - and as the Church so cynically says (and I believe): Family First. With his family at risk, I would not encourage him to leave if he asked my advice on the matter.
What follows from this story?
The LDS church might be a great place to raise kids, so long as your kids are pretty credulous and uncritical. If they are bright and thoughtful, and if they are the sort who ask a lot of questions about the things their elders tell them, get them out as soon as you can.
Otherwise you risk finding that they eventually face the bitter choice of living what they believe to be a lie, or losing all the people who are dearest to them, plus a major chunk of their savings and future earnings.
Agree 100%. And why does it have to be this way with Mormons? I have known dozens of lapsed Catholics, secular Jews and even seldom-found-in-mosque Muslims, who do not suffer divorce or lose their families because they no longer believe.
As I have admitted before, I made a Big Mistake by agreeing with (then TBM) my wife that I would not discuss the problems with Mormonism with my children until they were "older", and then let them decide whether or not to continue with the Church once they heard about the real history of Mormonism as adults.
By the time they were adults the damage was done. Now they will have to go through the same struggle that my wife and I did to extricate themselves. I am confident that most of them will eventually make it. Some of them have a good start.
All parents like to believe that they are doing (or did) the best they could by their children. In my case, I am not so sure. I should have had the courage to stand up to my then TBM wife and the Church for an in behalf of my children when I first knew that it would be the right thing to do.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
I'm sorry that your unfamiliarity with Biblical genealogies combined with your inability to understand simple addition has given you that impression.
I understand the genealogies and simple math, with a calculator, I can usually work out.
But you are pressing upon the Biblical record that which is not necessarily there. For example: from a literalists perspective, the years and genealogies are accurate, but for what purpose? Does the Bible make the claim that the genealogies are for determining how old the earth is? No. Yet, that's what you're doing. Second: does the Biblical record allow for an older earth and still maintain the accuracy of the genealogies? Quite possible. I've referenced Dr. Schroeder before, you might want to give him a second look. He is as literalist as they come - at least an Old Testament literalist.
I'm sorry that your unfamiliarity with Biblical genealogies combined with your inability to understand simple addition has given you that impression.
I understand the genealogies and simple math, with a calculator, I can usually work out.
But you are pressing upon the Biblical record that which is not necessarily there. For example: from a literalists perspective, the years and genealogies are accurate, but for what purpose? Does the Bible make the claim that the genealogies are for determining how old the earth is? No. Yet, that's what you're doing. Second: does the Biblical record allow for an older earth and still maintain the accuracy of the genealogies? Quite possible. I've referenced Dr. Schroeder before, you might want to give him a second look. He is as literalist as they come - at least an Old Testament literalist.
I'm sorry, you can't argue with math. The numbers add up to a very young earth.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
DrW wrote:As I have admitted before, I made a Big Mistake by agreeing with (then TBM) my wife that I would not discuss the problems with Mormonism with my children until they were "older", and then let them decide whether or not to continue with the Church once they heard about the real history of Mormonism as adults.
By the time they were adults the damage was done. Now they will have to go through the same struggle that my wife and I did to extricate themselves. I am confident that most of them will eventually make it. Some of them have a good start.
All parents like to believe that they are doing (or did) the best they could by their children. In my case, I am not so sure. I should have had the courage to stand up to my then TBM wife and the Church for an in behalf of my children when I first knew that it would be the right thing to do.
I think I should say that my post was not directed to you: you made what you thought was the best decision at the time, and how were you to know then how it would turn out? Like all of us, I too have a long list of now evidently wrong decisions that were (at the time) made with the best of intentions.
I am truly sorry if I have added to your pain about the likely-to-remain-TBM kid. But I thought that it was worth underlining the lesson from this for the benefit of any innocent bystanders that might be reading this board, and who still have time to decide differently.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I'm sorry, you can't argue with math. The numbers add up to a very young earth.
Uh... they don't necessarily. You don't know the Bible and, yet, you feel qualified to comment upon it. I suppose if you wish to remain ignorant of what the Biblical record is, I can't do much about that.
I'm sorry, you can't argue with math. The numbers add up to a very young earth.
Uh... they don't necessarily. You don't know the Bible and, yet, you feel qualified to comment upon it. I suppose if you wish to remain ignorant of what the Biblical record is, I can't do much about that.
You keep claiming to have superior knowledge of the Bible and how it should be interpreted, but I have yet to see a post that would help us all see the light. What exactly does the Bible say that would indicate the Earth can be older than 6 to 10 thousand years?
I'm sorry, you can't argue with math. The numbers add up to a very young earth.
Uh... they don't necessarily. You don't know the Bible and, yet, you feel qualified to comment upon it. I suppose if you wish to remain ignorant of what the Biblical record is, I can't do much about that.
You may distort Jewish theology all you wish. But math remains immune to your attempts. Sorry, Charlie.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.