jon wrote:Stem, read the last line of the last paragraph where you quoted me. I think it makes your dispute of my comments...errr...well...moot.
I can't help your ocntradiction, jon. Not all Mormons feel persecuted at all, so "Mormonism has a vocal and active approach to telling all that will listen that they have the truth, the only group that does. And they truly believe it and find it hard to accept when people dispute that or even disprove that. That's when they claim persecution." doesn't make any sense. And of course since there are plenty in different groups who claim to be persecuted, just like any Mormon might, shows that your reasoning is just silly here.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
stemelbow wrote: What are you saying? I don't see such bigotry in Mormonism, per se. Surely there could be Mormons out there who think some guy who killed a Mormon in 1840 is somehow representative of other non-Mormons, but I just plain haven't seen it. You do realize that Buffalo's point is pretty much that--that since Mormons killed non-Mormons in 1857, that means a persecuted Mormon can't really claim to be persecuted, right?
I don't know Stem, the deaths (not to mention rapes!) of the Fancher party vs you getting a wedgie in high school. I don't know that the two balance out.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
I hate to burst your bubble, but your pipe must have something else in it. Some Mormons carry intergenerational hatred. You see, two of my g'g'grandparents were non-Mormons in Hancock county in 1844. That is why I am here. READ #121, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!
Huckelberry said: I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
Buffalo wrote:And of course, Mormons are still busy persecuting other groups - just not with violence. Their current targets are women and gays.
In all fairness, this is equally true of most Christian groups in general. They are also more persecutors than persecuted.
I think you're just getting more and more silly, Buffalo, sadly. If what Mormons are busy doing to women and gays is persecution it kinda makes one question whether you'll consistently define persecution. Afterall, it might be wise to think that if you really consider that persecution then perhaps some of the behavior people show toward some Mormons may actually be the same type. Of course, that in turn can't be persecution because some long gone Mormons killed others.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
MCB wrote:I hate to burst your bubble, but your pipe must have something else in it. Some Mormons carry intergenerational hatred. You see, two of my g'g'grandparents were non-Mormons in Hancock county in 1844. That is why I am here. READ #121, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!
I don't doubt that some Mormons can be hateful. I don't know what that has to do with anything. I personally don't see such hate amongst Mormons though.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
jon wrote:Stem, read the last line of the last paragraph where you quoted me. I think it makes your dispute of my comments...errr...well...moot.
I can't help your ocntradiction, jon. Not all Mormons feel persecuted at all, so "Mormonism has a vocal and active approach to telling all that will listen that they have the truth, the only group that does. And they truly believe it and find it hard to accept when people dispute that or even disprove that. That's when they claim persecution." doesn't make any sense. And of course since there are plenty in different groups who claim to be persecuted, just like any Mormon might, shows that your reasoning is just silly here.
Stem, sometimes dialogue with you is like trying to knit fog.
I am saying that in my opinion Mormons per se do not claim persecution. However the people that formally or pseudo formally represent the Church are prone to claiming persecution when things don't go their way.
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
Buffalo wrote:And of course, Mormons are still busy persecuting other groups - just not with violence. Their current targets are women and gays.
In all fairness, this is equally true of most Christian groups in general. They are also more persecutors than persecuted.
I think you're just getting more and more silly, Buffalo, sadly. If what Mormons are busy doing to women and gays is persecution it kinda makes one question whether you'll consistently define persecution. Afterall, it might be wise to think that if you really consider that persecution then perhaps some of the behavior people show toward some Mormons may actually be the same type. Of course, that in turn can't be persecution because some long gone Mormons killed others.
Stem, if some group tried to take away your priesthood and invalidate your marriage, don't you think you'd feel just a little persecuted?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
I I don't doubt that some Mormons can be hateful. I don't know what that has to do with anything. I personally don't see such hate amongst Mormons though.
I have experienced it. Thank you for your acknowledgment.
Huckelberry said: I see the order and harmony to be the very image of God which smiles upon us each morning as we awake.
jon wrote:Stem, I mostly like dialogue with you, but sometimes it's like trying to platt fog.
I'm saying that i don't think that Mormons per se don't claim persecution.
Well, make up your mind then. Previously you said "I also think that most Mormons don't feel persecuted".
I don't know which it is. I think you do honestly think that most Mormons don't feel persecuted, but continue to spin it as you "don't think that Mormons per se don't claim persecution" for whatever reason. I also don't think you truly bleieve the religion itself is to blame for any particular Mormon who gets all defensive at times, since there are people in all groups that will get defensive and even claim persecution.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.
Buffalo wrote:Stem, if some group tried to take away your priesthood and invalidate your marriage, don't you think you'd feel just a little persecuted?
not in the least.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.