Speaking of Paul H. Dunn...

[_consiglieri]

I forgive him. Unfortunately, I am dealing with a heartless crew on this forum.

The crew is not heartless, Why Me, but neither is it brainless.

This has nothing to do with forgiveness, and I believe you know that but are just trying to draw a red herring across the path.

I forgive Paul Dunn. I think everybody here probably forgives him. Yes, he was human. Yes, he made a mistake.

Everybody agrees with everything you have said.

Except perhaps for the "move on" part.

You keep saying "move on" as if it must necessarily follow from the forgiveness.

It doesn't.

Nor should it.

It is not my fault that Paul Dunn lied about his miraculous experiences. And yet you seem to want to lay it at my feet, and the feet of everybody who thinks that maybe it wasn't the right thing to do.

You have nobody to blame but Paul Dunn himself for making this into an issue in trusting the truth claims of a church that has miraculous stories as its foundation.

No, the fact that Paul Dunn lied about spiritual experiences doesn't mean that anybody else has similarly lied.

But who in their right mind wouldn't at least consider the possibility that if Paul Dunn did it, others might have?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_why me]

Nor should it.

It is not my fault that Paul Dunn lied about his miraculous experiences. And yet you seem to want to lay it at my feet, and the feet of everybody who thinks that maybe it wasn't the right thing to do.

You have nobody to blame but Paul Dunn himself for making this into an issue in trusting the truth claims of a church that has miraculous stories as its foundation.

No, the fact that Paul Dunn lied about spiritual experiences doesn't mean that anybody else has similarly lied.

But who in their right mind wouldn't at least consider the possibility that if Paul Dunn did it, others might have?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

You know as well as I do that critics bring up Dunn to score points against the LDS church. And that is wrong. Dunn was one man who made a serious mistake in judgement. But to equate it to the whole church as if to say: look here. he lied. the LDS church is not true. Well, this would be a stretch. And as one can see here on this thread...it has become not about Dunn but the LDS church.

We all lie. Even you have lied. To assume that no GA has lied...would be a stretch. Now if they are lying to deceive members of the church...well, they should be removed...as Dunn was removed. I say move on because this was all a long time ago. Time moves on...and so should we.

[_why me]

I forgive him. Unfortunately, I am dealing with a heartless crew on this forum.

Forgive him?? You are TOTALLY missing the point. I couldn't care less about Dunn or his entertaining tall tales. I do feel sorry though for those who actually spent their hard earned cash on his books, tapes, etc. thereby supporting and encouraging his continued profiting from his story telling.

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Dunn did something that has been done many times before by human beings. He got caught up in his own little world of greatness. There is a lesson in this for everyone: not to be carried away with self importantance. He was human. We can all learn from him.

[_consiglieri]

But to equate it to the whole church as if to say: look here. he lied. the LDS church is not true.

I have heard nobody here make this argument, Why Me.

Is this another red herring?



All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Themis]

You know as well as I do that critics bring up Dunn to score points against the LDS church. And that is wrong. Dunn was one man who made a serious mistake in judgement. But to equate it to the whole church as if to say: look here. he lied. the LDS church is not true. Well, this would be a stretch. And as one can see here on this thread...it has become not about Dunn but the LDS church.

Again whyme misses the point and makes up new ones to try and score points against critics. The issue is that many people experienced some of their most cherished spiritual expereinces while listening to Dunn's lies, which brings up questions about the nature of spiritual expereinces and whether they are divine in nature or self generated. How many members asked these kind of questions of themselves after Dunn's lies were exposed? I suspect most forgave him, but that does not mean other issues like the ones being discussed in this thread cannot be talked about.

We all lie. Even you have lied. To assume that no GA has lied...would be a stretch. Now if they are lying to deceive members of the church...well, they should be removed...as Dunn was removed. I say move on because this was all a long time ago. Time moves on...and so should we.

Everyone has moved on, but that does not mean we don't look back in order to continue to learn from past expereinces. Also, I have never lied to the extent Dunn did. I suspect the vast majority of GA's have not lied to this extent.

[_plunderpunk]

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