Lucifer on The Apocalrock "sides of the North"

[_Some Schmo]

Schmo, you would say vagina for every image in a Rorschach Test.

That's ridiculous, NL. Some of those ink blots are clearly women's breasts and asses. It's not my fault they're all dirty pictures.

As to your fishing for some love tolerance, Saint Apocalrock says repent and sin no more my son.

Listen, heretic, if you're not willing to listen to my inspired words, you're just another heathen in a long line of disbelievers. There's still time to repent, if you're willing to bend a knee and bow before me. Do it now! It's only your eternal soul at stake!

[Guest]

Nightlion, I'm surprised a prophet of your caliber would fall into the old trap of calling Satan Lucifer.

I do no expect to initiate with the Masons. If they want to worship a liar then they need to steady
themselves against many rude awakenings.

Revelation 12:3-9
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Luke 10: 18
18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

D&C 76:
25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.
27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!
28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ—
29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.


I do not believe Satan and Jesus were ever brothers. Neither do I believe that Jesus was OUR elder brother. Satan was just another spirit brought forth in the morning of the organization of intelligence and appointed to authority as one of the chosen rulers from the beginning as was Abraham. Jesus was always God from all eternity to all eternity. Actually Christ was Satan's Eternal Father, ( the seeds of this mystery were found throughout the original Book of Mormon) as he was the creator of all things, and the organizer of intelligence in the proto-pre-existence together with the Father and the Holy Ghost, all three one God, infinite and eternal.

What do you have to refute these scriptures?

[_Nightlion]

Schmo, you would say vagina for every image in a Rorschach Test.

That's ridiculous, NL. Some of those ink blots are clearly women's breasts and asses. It's not my fault they're all dirty pictures.

As to your fishing for some love tolerance, Saint Apocalrock says repent and sin no more my son.

Listen, heretic, if you're not willing to listen to my inspired words, you're just another heathen in a long line of disbelievers. There's still time to repent, if you're willing to bend a knee and bow before me. Do it now! It's only your eternal soul at stake!

I have withstood the blustery gale of full on blasphemy from those whom I care for. And they still call expecting me to help when they are in need. Brothers all bro Schmo.

[_Some Schmo]

I have withstood the blustery gale of full on blasphemy from those whom I care for.

I hear ya. Me too. I hate it when that happens.

And they still call expecting me to help when they are in need.

I know what ya mean, but that's what comes with the prophet job. By now I've learned to take it in stride.

Brothers all bro Schmo.

Fair enough.

Still, that doesn't get you out of your debt of worship to me. So what will it be, bro Lion? Will you heed god's call through me or not?

[_Nightlion]

Still, that doesn't get you out of your debt of worship to me. So what will it be, bro Lion? Will you heed god's call through me or not?

I expect deity to know better than this!

ETA: oops! I have been made to realize that it is DICK to correct your friends. Sorry.

[_Some Schmo]

I expect deity to know better than this!

I never claimed to be a deity, just your basic, run-of-the-mill prophet. Don't be silly.

ETA: oops! I have been made to realize that it is DICK to correct your friends. Sorry.

Actually, according to the last picture, the Apocalrock is a VAGINA to correct our friends. Genitalia has always played an important role in religion, my friend. You should know that by now.

[_Nightlion]

I expect deity to know better than this!

I never claimed to be a deity, just your basic, run-of-the-mill prophet. Don't be silly.

ETA: oops! I have been made to realize that it is DICK to correct your friends. Sorry.

Actually, according to the last picture, the Apocalrock is a VAGINA to correct our friends. Genitalia has always played an important role in religion, my friend. You should know that by now.

The dual sexuality of the Baphomet/Satan stems from the FACT that organized intelligence is not gender assigned. A fullness of light and truth holds both aspects of the male and female, of which, one or the other is sacrificed to continue with Christ in God toward the seed bodies.

Satan/Lucifer refused to lose any aspect of his full intelligence which he knew was his only chance to retain any hope of being like the Most High God. He incited one third of all the organized intelligence to remain with him, so as to not cease to be like God in a fullness of light and truth, thereby they would not obey and rebelled and chose not to continue with the Lamb of God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baphomet.png
ETA:Note the torch atop this figure. The Lucifer light.

[_Some Schmo]

The dual sexuality of the Baphomet/Satan stems from the FACT that organized intelligence is not gender assigned. A fullness of light and truth holds both aspects of the male and female, of which, one or the other is sacrificed to continue with Christ in God toward the seed bodies.

Satan/Lucifer refused to lose any aspect of his full intelligence which he knew was his only chance to retain any hope of being like the Most High God. He incited one third of all the organized intelligence to remain with him, so as to not cease to be like God in a fullness of light and truth, thereby they would not obey and rebelled and chose not to continue with the Lamb of God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Baphomet.png
ETA:Note the torch atop this figure. The Lucifer light.

Yeah yeah yeah... whatever. Are you going to answer my question or what?

[_Molok]

Nightlion, Lucifer is a latin word, most often used to describe the planet venus. It is not a name for the devil. You should probably know that.

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion, Lucifer is a latin word, most often used to describe the planet venus. It is not a name for the devil. You should probably know that.

My Latin begins and ends with: Et tu Brute? Oh, wait: ides=fifteenth. E pluibus unim, (of many one)....hmmm... and all those Catholic lyrics.

Yeah, I can google.
David Grinspoon comments on the historical aspects of the word as follows: "The origin of the Judeo-Christian Devil as an angel fallen from heaven into the depths of hell is mirrored in the descent of Venus from shining morning star to the darkness below. This underworld demon, still feared today by people in many parts of the world, is also called Lucifer, which was originally a Latin name for Venus as a morning star." (Venus Revealed p. 17) Actually, Grinspoon should just refer to the "Christian Devil" since the Jews never believed in such a creature and still don't to this day. Not sure from the article who made this conclusion
http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml

Problem with this is that it's a load of crap, a jello mold of intellectual slight of hand. Satan, the opposer, the accuser, the adversary is acknowledged. By more than just the name, Satan, which is in fact a Hebrew word for accuser. Strong's Hebrew/Chaldee #7853-54

1 Chronicles 21: 1
1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Plus all throughout the Book of Job.

Satan is the king of Babylon. The Book of Revelation establishes that. The confusion is all in the chosen metaphores is in the fact that they are metaphores. Great big masonic scholars want to fiddle with the metaphores and make toast of truth so that Lucifer becomes the one who bears our sins and not Christ. It is like accepting the interpretation of Anti-Mormons in all things LDS.

The spiritual dichotomy of the Old Testament was between those who remained the children of Belial/Satan/Lucifer/ and all false gods and kingdoms of this world, such as the sons of Eli who refused to know the Lord, as opposed to those who overcome the world to "know the Lord" who stay upon the Lord that he might circumcise the foreskins of their hearts and that the Lord might wrought a mighty change upon them and put a new heart in their inward parts that is filled with the love of God. (that is the gospel of Jesus Christ by the way, even in Old Testament times)

The frequently used term for the wicked one was Belial. Strong's exhaustive Bible concordance (Hebrew 1100) relates the word to the Hebrew word for wickedness. However, in over four-fundred usages of the actual words; 'wicked, wickedness, and wickedly' found in the Bible, Belial is NEVER once used. It was reserved for and capitalized as the personification of wickedness; as calling the uncircumcised of heart the children of Belial.

Matt. 13: 19, 38, 49
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
• • •
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

In the New Testament:

2 Cor. 6: 15
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

The Greek definition of Strong's Concordance (Greek 955) says: ...worthlessness... (as the Hebrew also did)...an epithet of Satan So long before Jerome used Lucifer the New Testament named Satan as Belial, a devil that the Old Testament Hebrews acknowledge as real.

Paul also refers to THAT WICKED as a personification of evil

2 Thessalonians 2: 8
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


The common reference to Satan in the New Testament was Beelzebub, the prince of the devils. This Greek word was only one click away from Belial in Strong's (954) ...as from the Chaldean for dung god, a name for Satan... The Jews very much acknowledged both devils and Satan as real.

Luke 11: 15, 18-19
15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.

Satan in the Greek was Satanas: the accuser

As for both Lucifer and Christ both referred to as the morning star, so what? Lucifer was in authority with God BEFORE he fell. He was one of the stars of heaven ( of whom he took one third with him when he fell) even a son or the morning. As Christ also is in authority with God even the Day Star that arises in our hearts the bright and morning star one who cannot fail, so never shall he fall.