God took the Mel. PH away by January 1841: D&C 124

[_stemelbow]

Verse 49 is telling the Saints that they are not required to complete the temple in Missouri at that time. Read all the way through verse 55.

As I read it verse 49 is very general in rule. verse 55 just offers an specific example that was met by the criterial outlined in 49. I guess we just see it differently. I'm not convinced that 49 is specific about the case in Missouri only, indeed it sounds far more like its a general rule that will occur outside of the circumstances of Missouri.

[_stemelbow]

I wanted to go back to this. Verse 28 indicates that the fulness of the priesthood would be restored again unto the Saints after they built a temple in which to do it.

I don't think verse 28 has to be read as unto the saints of the latter days specificially. It seems it can be read to include all of humanity--meaning the restoring again is not to the latter-day folks but to all of humanity.

[_just me]

Stem, what is the fulness of the priesthood and when was it restored as promised by the Lord in D&C 124? Why were the Saints thrown out of Nauvoo when the Lord promised that they would not be moved if they followed their leaders?

[_just me]

Joseph Smith, History of the Church Vol. 5, page 285

The building of the Nauvoo House is just as sacred in my view as the Temple. I want the Nauvoo House built. It must be built. Our salvation [as a city] depends on it.

Written as it appears in the HotC, Joseph Smith was speaking to temple workmen

page 366

Call on the inhabitants of Nauvoo, and get them to bring in their means, then go to La Harpe and serve them the same. Thus commence your career, "and never stand still the Master appears:" for it is necessary the house should be built. Out of stock that is handed me, you shall receive as you have needed; for the laborer is worthy of his hire.
I hereby command the hands to go to work on the house.[...]
If you can get hands on the Nauvoo House, it will give such an impetus to the work, that it will take all the devils out of hell to stop it.

Joseph Smith speaking about the Nauvoo House, I cut some out

page 369

President Brigham Young preached on the subject of salvation, and the Twelve commenced their mission to build the Nauvoo House. For the salvation of the Church it was necessary that the public buildings should be erected, etc.

This was part of the minutes of a Special Conference

I feel like I remember a letter the Twelve wrote to the members that linked their collective salvation with either the Nauvoo House or some other project. I'll keep looking.

[_stemelbow]

Stem, what is the fulness of the priesthood and when was it restored as promised by the Lord in D&C 124?

We're getting into somewhat disputed territory on that. Some say there are ordinances that can't be done in this life and will be accomplished afterward, implying the fullness in this life isn't even the fullness in the life afterward. As for me and my house, its a little vague. I don't' know precisely what the fullness includes.

Why were the Saints thrown out of Nauvoo when the Lord promised that they would not be moved if they followed their leaders?

Verse 49 seems to answer that in some sense. Its also possible God didn't think they were following their leaders well enough. Of course no one follows leaders to the perfect "T", so its quite possible. either way, not much to argue here, if you ask me.

[_stemelbow]

Joseph Smith, History of the Church Vol. 5, page 285

The building of the Nauvoo House is just as sacred in my view as the Temple. I want the Nauvoo House built. It must be built. Our salvation [as a city] depends on it.

Written as it appears in the HotC, Joseph Smith was speaking to temple workmen

page 366

Call on the inhabitants of Nauvoo, and get them to bring in their means, then go to La Harpe and serve them the same. Thus commence your career, "and never stand still the Master appears:" for it is necessary the house should be built. Out of stock that is handed me, you shall receive as you have needed; for the laborer is worthy of his hire.
I hereby command the hands to go to work on the house.[...]
If you can get hands on the Nauvoo House, it will give such an impetus to the work, that it will take all the devils out of hell to stop it.

Joseph Smith speaking about the Nauvoo House, I cut some out

page 369

President Brigham Young preached on the subject of salvation, and the Twelve commenced their mission to build the Nauvoo House. For the salvation of the Church it was necessary that the public buildings should be erected, etc.

This was part of the minutes of a Special Conference

I feel like I remember a letter the Twelve wrote to the members that linked their collective salvation with either the Nauvoo House or some other project. I'll keep looking.

Your first quote clearly dilineates it as Joseph Smith' personal view. Your second one doesn't say that the house will be finished, and the third quote doesn't seem to help the point either. I'm not really sure where you're going with these.

[_just me]

It was only Joseph Smith's POV that the Nauvoo House was just as sacred. It was the Lord who commanded it be built in D&C 124. Joseph also commanded them to build it. Both would be commands that the Saints needed to follow through with in order to not be rejected by the Lord (along with their dead).

I'm pretty sure that the church teaches that it contains the fulness of the gospel and priesthood and has all the laws and ordinances necessary to gain exaltation.
Even if there were more things for the next life that is not what is being spoken of here in D&C 124. The Lord is speaking about the fulness of the priesthood that had to be restored again to the earth.

[_just me]

Bump. Anyone else have thoughts they can add to this topic?

[_floatingboy]

Don't know a whole lot about the Nauvoo House, other than that it was supposed to be a boarding house that would be "a resting-place for the weary traveler". That sounds like something out of Freemasonry. Just sayin' that it sounds like the kind of code-speak they use, but he probably meant it literally as a place for new converts to crash while they were getting settled in. If that's the case, why so danged important? I mean, sure, hospitality to new converts is important, but the salvation of the city depends on it??

[_just me]

Don't know a whole lot about the Nauvoo House, other than that it was supposed to be a boarding house that would be "a resting-place for the weary traveler". That sounds like something out of Freemasonry. Just sayin' that it sounds like the kind of code-speak they use, but he probably meant it literally as a place for new converts to crash while they were getting settled in. If that's the case, why so danged important? I mean, sure, hospitality to new converts is important, but the salvation of the city depends on it??

Yeah, pretty hardcore. I never made the masonic connection with the language. Interesting.

Well, I believe that it was also to house dignitaries and people from far and wide. The Nauvoo Temple was not originally intended to be private/members only. It was going to be open to "ever kindred, tongue and people." Actually, can't remember the exact language, but the quote can be found on the Black Mormon website.

I guess the Nauvoo House would have been another source of income for Joseph Smith and his family. We can see in D&C that people were commanded to subscribe to help build the thing. What better way to get people to build something than to threaten them with God's wrath and rejection?

There were last minute changes to the temple to be able to do the endowment in it.

If everyone will recall, the Kirtland Temple was open to the public. The Nauvoo Temple has a large chapel type room on the main floor which would have been used for regular meetings.

(sorry this post is all over the place)