My Work Here is Done

[_Droopy]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to need that clarification as to whether "anti-Mormon" just means "claims of fact that are not faith-promoting."

Scratch is a classic anti-Mormon, in all salient respects - as are you.

As opposed to, say, insisting---contrary to explicit statements officially released by the Church---that the only "real" Mormons are the ones who subscribe to your own political views.

The vast majority do, but that's irrelevant, isn't it. I have never had any doubt that the real person hiding behind the moniker "Mr. Scratch" has never been an actual member.

That's right, Droopy. Anyone who takes issue with the truth claims of the LDS Church is a communist.

I think I and Jack fleshed this out comparatively well already. Anyone who takes issue with the truth claims of the Church is someone who takes issue with the truth claims of the Church. Anyone who takes issue with the truth claims of the Church and the actively engages in a program of public, hostile, intellectually dishonest, and bigoted attacks upon it, especially in a demagogic and irresponsible manner, as Scratch has done throughout his Internet history, is an anti-Mormon. I would also have to add his numerous personal witch hunts and polemic effigy burnings of various apologists with whom he has become personally obsessed, as indicative of an "anti" orientation, well beyond mere intellectual difference of perspective and belief.

I am very impressed to see you confirming Scratch's point in the course of disputing it. By the way, is it now "anti-Mormon" to make any comment at all about the viewpoints of LDS leadership, beyond "yea, verily"?

Polemical blather. You've already flooded your intellectual carburetor here, Darth, so pumping the gas pedal all the harder won't help you.

But now that you mention that he is a leftist, I wonder if it would be too much trouble to ask where he has posted about his political views?

Well, of course its peppered throughout his years of posting on LDS topics in general. I posted excerpts above containing clear examples. Did you miss them?

Let me help you, Droopy. You still are not refuting my point, because I do not concede that "anti-Mormon" means "I think the LDS Church is false, and here's why."

That' s never been my point, so watch out for strawmen as you cross the street.

How is Scratch actively evangelizing against the LDS Church? Or how is anyone on this board, for that matter? I spent two years knocking on people's doors and stopping strangers on the street to try to convert them to the LDS Church. To your knowledge, how many people have I gone out and tried to de-convert?

Now you're acting like a clown, and you're not going to make one of me, so I'm not going to continue with this silliness.

[_Darth J]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to need that clarification as to whether "anti-Mormon" just means "claims of fact that are not faith-promoting."

Scratch is a classic anti-Mormon, in all salient respects - as are you.

See: Circular Reasoning

As opposed to, say, insisting---contrary to explicit statements officially released by the Church---that the only "real" Mormons are the ones who subscribe to your own political views.

The vast majority do, but that's irrelevant, isn't it. I have never had any doubt that the real person hiding behind the moniker "Mr. Scratch" has never been an actual member.

It isn't irrelevant according to you. You are utterly incapable of separating your politics from your concept of Mormonism.

That's right, Droopy. Anyone who takes issue with the truth claims of the LDS Church is a communist.

I think I and Jack fleshed this out comparatively well already. Anyone who takes issue with the truth claims of the Church is someone who takes issue with the truth claims of the Church. Anyone who takes issue with the truth claims of the Church and the actively engages in a program of public, hostile, intellectually dishonest, and bigoted attacks upon it, especially in a demagogic and irresponsible manner, as Scratch has done throughout his Internet history, is an anti-Mormon. I would also have to add his numerous personal witch hunts and polemic effigy burnings of various apologists with whom he has become personally obsessed, as indicative of an "anti" orientation, well beyond mere intellectual difference of perspective and belief.

Are you too busy up on that cross to demonstrate the intellectual dishonesty that you claim, or is your response limited to "That's a lie!" when people say things you don't like?

Do you feel that your continuing embarrassment to Mormons and the poor image you present of Latter-day Saints could also be characterized as "anti-Mormon," or does "anti-Mormon" require intent, rather than obliviousness?

I am very impressed to see you confirming Scratch's point in the course of disputing it. By the way, is it now "anti-Mormon" to make any comment at all about the viewpoints of LDS leadership, beyond "yea, verily"?

Polemical blather. You've already flooded your intellectual carburetor here, Darth, so pumping the gas pedal all the harder won't help you.

I guess my hopes of you showing how characterizing Mormons as being sexually repressed is inaccurate are going to be dashed.

But now that you mention that he is a leftist, I wonder if it would be too much trouble to ask where he has posted about his political views?

Well, of course its peppered throughout his years of posting on LDS topics in general. I posted excerpts above containing clear examples. Did you miss them?

See: Circular Reasoning

Let me help you, Droopy. You still are not refuting my point, because I do not concede that "anti-Mormon" means "I think the LDS Church is false, and here's why."

That' s never been my point, so watch out for strawmen as you cross the street.

That's okay. I was already aware that you were not responding to anything I said, but were just on another of your delusional rants that unwittingly makes Mormons look like ridiculous fanatics.

How is Scratch actively evangelizing against the LDS Church? Or how is anyone on this board, for that matter? I spent two years knocking on people's doors and stopping strangers on the street to try to convert them to the LDS Church. To your knowledge, how many people have I gone out and tried to de-convert?

Now you're acting like a clown, and you're not going to make one of me, so I'm not going to continue with this silliness.

You don't need my help to be made into a clown, Droopy.

[_thews]

I have extended the olive branch more than once. You are simply not interested in civil discussion or answering my honest questions.

Are you familiar with Reinhold Niebuhr? He is credited with saying:
Forgiveness is the final form of love.

I forgive you.

Goodbye.

"Forgive" me for what, Simon? Kicking your butt?

Well, hey: once your temper tantrum is over such that you're ready to re-post your avatar, maybe then you can get down to the actual business of defending your terrible historical arguments on this thread.

Dr. Scratch =1, Simon =0.

Dr. Scratch, the reason we all come to this place and voice opinion is unique. I have my reasons/demons, but no one in here is more intriguing than you are. From what I know, you actually attend the LDS church on Sundays. I'm fairly certain I'd spontaneously burst into flames if I ever did enter an LDS church again, so I find your motivation difficult to understand... I've concluded it equates to some sort of morbid curiosity... forced to watch the Matrix from the inside. Not one to judge, so I'll leave you with the expectation that I sincerely hope you stop by often.

[_Doctor Scratch]

No need to worry, Thews: my duties as the Emeritus B.H. Roberts Chair of Mopologetic Studies requires that I pop in from time to time. And thank you for your kind remarks.