... Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please, young folk, preserve your virtue even if you lose your lives.
The guilt for including this in the Miracle of Forgiveness is at the feet of the editors from Deseret Book. They did not have the courage to give President Kimball feedback on how this would sound to readers.
... Your virtue is worth more than your life. Please, young folk, preserve your virtue even if you lose your lives.
The guilt for including this in the Miracle of Forgiveness is at the feet of the editors from Deseret Book. They did not have the courage to give President Kimball feedback on how this would sound to readers.
The very concept that someone's "virtue" can be stolen from them makes me want to vomit. That is one of the most destructive teachings on the face of the earth.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
1. The issue is not whether masturbating with another person of the same sex is a homosexual act.
2. The issue is whether you are going to turn gay because you committed a homosexual act out of adolescent curiosity.
Notice that SWK is not saying such will inevitably lead to homosexuality. And for those following the thread, notice how quickly Darth J diverges from his original claims wjhcih were just Buffalo Chips.
I can't wait to see you explain how this diverges from my original claim.
I also am waiting to see how it is even probable that mutual masturbation will lead to homosexuality.
Hint: if you are masturbating with people of the same sex, and that leads to actual sex with a person of the same sex, you already were gay.
the unstated premise of bcspace's dire warnings
More yellow journalism. Darth J has intentionally overlooked my assessment of the work in this thread.
By calling this yellow journalism, I take it that you do not take it as a basic premise of your argument that Spencer W. Kimball was a prophet/apostle.
just me wrote: The very concept that someone's "virtue" can be stolen from them makes me want to vomit. That is one of the most destructive teachings on the face of the earth.
Good catch. Not THE most destructive teaching but still a good catch.
bcspace wrote: I said "I think". But I'm pretty confident in it. Perhaps you might ask yourself who doesn't think mutual masturbation with the same sex is gay? Be sure not to lie just because you are desperate to prove me wrong....
So if you were to go to prison, and ended up mutually masturbating with your cell mate, would you turn gay? Would you prefer guys when you got out?
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
just me wrote: The very concept that someone's "virtue" can be stolen from them makes me want to vomit. That is one of the most destructive teachings on the face of the earth.
It speaks of the contempt that Kimball and others had toward women.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.
Shulem wrote: bcspace has already confessed (in another thread) that he doesn't have the "need" to masturbate because he is married and has active sex with his wife.
LOL...
I don't need to masturbate either, space man. I do it because it's fun.
Denying masturbation: stupid religious rule #67338
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Shulem wrote: bcspace has already confessed (in another thread) that he doesn't have the "need" to masturbate because he is married and has active sex with his wife.
LOL...
I don't need to masturbate either, space man. I do it because it's fun.
Denying masturbation: stupid religious rule #67338
I sincerely believe that Spencer Kimball's heart was hard and his mind was in the Dark Age. God never spoke a word through him to the church. He, as a self proclaimed prophet of the Mormon making, said many unenlightened things about mankind. He was a bitter man with a bone to pick. How many young boys suffered at the hands of this child abuser? Spencer Kimball will ultimately be remembered as a child abuser for causing so many to feel shame for masturbaing and loving their bodies in a manner which God intended.
Spencer Kimball has a lot to answer for! And, he never could come up with the name of the Egyptian king in Facsimile No. 3 even though he was supposed to be a prophet, seer, and revelator. Spencer Kimball was a fake. I rebuke him!