why me wrote:Consigs wife was expressing more than her reaction to the video.
Of course she was.
But it seems a waste of time to try to get you to see things from her perspective.
You seem to have no trouble seeing things from the Catholic point of view, but when it comes to anybody who lodges valid criticisms against the Mormon Church, you will go to any extreme to invalidate their feelings and support the corporate body.
My brain is a company brain, The company washed it And now I can't complain.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
why me wrote:Lets have a reality check: in the LDS church there have always been women working even when they were moms to young children. And they weren't disciplined. True, mothers are encouraged to stay home with the kids. But it is not a commandment but a suggestion. So, the I am a Mormon series, even showing moms who work is what the situation in the church is: it is a church where people are doing many things--working, hiking, sporting etc. and all trying to survive in a world gone crazy.
Now you are trying to tell us that the women who grew up in the church being told that staying at home to raise babies because that is what GOD wanted them to do need a reality check?
The LDS church doesn't discipline people with tatoos or multiple piercings, either. Not sure what your point is.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote: So what? All our reactions are personal. It was personal for her! Her reaction is just as valid as any. She was expressing her reaction and emotions about the way the LDS church was going about its Media Blitz. There is nothing, nothing for her to apologize for.
Her HT didn't need to do anything.
What would you have expected my Relief Society teacher to do about if I were to tell her that her story was racist in front of 30 other women?
If you started to cry and lash out at the LDS church for ruining your life...well, I don't think that she could do anything but put her arm around you to comfort you. But you would need to evaluate your reaction and why you reacted the way you did.
No, she would not.
why me wrote:Consigs wife was expressing more than her reaction to the video. The video was the catalyst for something a little larger especially since the video was about a happy black woman working in the inner city, enjoying the single life with her friends and loving her mom.
WTF. You can't know this. You're pulling this out of one of your orifices. You accuse others of jumping to conclusions, and then you say something like this.
why me wrote:Lets have a reality check: in the LDS church there have always been women working even when they were moms to young children. And they weren't disciplined. True, mothers are encouraged to stay home with the kids. But it is not a commandment but a suggestion.
Versus:
Ezra Taft Benson "Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet" Sometimes there are those who argue about words. They might say the prophet gave us counsel but that we are not obliged to follow it unless he says it is a commandment. But the Lord says of the Prophet, “Thou shalt give heed unto all his words and commandments which he shall give unto you.” (D&C 21:4.)
And speaking of taking counsel from the prophet, in D&C 108:1, the Lord states:
“Verily thus saith the Lord unto you, my servant Lyman: Your sins are forgiven you, because you have obeyed my voice in coming up hither this morning to receive counsel of him whom I have appointed.”
Said Brigham Young, “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call scripture.” (Journal of Discourses, 13:95.)
consiglieri wrote: I immediately recognized the hypocrisy of trying to paint fringe Mormons as mainstream, but I didn't "get" how harmful this message could be to those who had lived their lives as best they could to be "faithful" Mormon women.
Not until my wife spoke up.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
So, the black woman who according to you is living on the fringe of Mormonism is harming your wife? Is this black woman a part of mainstream Mormonism? I know single Mormon women who are working. What is exactly is fringe living about this?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
just me wrote:The LDS church doesn't discipline people with tatoos or multiple piercings, either. Not sure what your point is.
I think his point is that my wife has no cause to complain when she gave up a career she loved because the Church didn't make her do it, and she wouldn't have gotten excommunicated if she hadn't.
It is yet another version of blaming the victim.
The victim must be blamed because the Mormon Church can do no wrong.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
P.S. When my wife started tearing up, I started, too.
You prove yourself of the devil and anti-mormon every word you utter, because only the devil perverts facts to make their case.--ldsfaqs (6-24-13)
why me wrote: You mean a video showing a happy single black woman, working as a teacher in the inner city with a nice life with friends who loves her mom? This would send a wrong message to all married LDS women?
Is this black woman living on the fringe of Mormonism?
In today's episode of "Why Me Appears to be Deliberately Missing the Point," we'll explore how it is been irrefutably demonstrated that the LDS Church has consistently stated that women should not work outside the home, and that this teaching is inconsistent with the portrayals in the current LDS media campaign.
And no, Why Me, an inner-city black woman is not representative of typical LDS demographics. So yes, she is on the fringe.
just me wrote:The LDS church doesn't discipline people with tatoos or multiple piercings, either. Not sure what your point is.
I think his point is that my wife has no cause to complain when she gave up a career she loved because the Church didn't make her do it, and she wouldn't have gotten excommunicated if she hadn't.
It is yet another version of blaming the victim.
The victim must be blamed because the Mormon Church can do no wrong.
All the Best!
--Consiglieri
P.S. When my wife started tearing up, I started, too.
Why Me always blames everyone but the LDS church. Everything is always our own fault. The church is nothing but rainbows and unicorns....oh wait, nevermind. And if they do do anything less savory it is only because everyone else did, too.
(((hugs))) You really are amazing. I think you and your wife are very lucky to have each other.
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden ~The Goddess is not separate from the world-She is the world and all things in it.~
just me wrote:We are basing our responses on all of why me's posting history. He doesn't exist in a vaccuum.
He has said on other threads that women who can't/don't have their own children should find a job that deals with children. That is sexist.
On this thread he has expressed that this woman who works outside the home is a valid story BECAUSE she may be single or childless. That is sexist. The very fact that he brought up needing to know her reasoning before forming an opinion is sexist.
He has said that I should have told a room full of Relief Society women that the story the teacher told was racist. He is now saying that Consig's wife should have kept her mouth shut in her own home about a remark that caused her to be upset.
Which is it? Are we supposed to speak up when something upsets us or are we supposed to shut up? And why do I need a man telling me when to talk or not talk anyway???
When why me says that Consig should apologize for his wife's emotions and reaction he is not only being sexist, he is also invalidating her feelings.
When Darth J made the comment about smacking his wife he did so to highlight the sexism in what why me was suggesting. I think it's called hyperbole.
Darth J always does that sort of thing. he's playing around, playing the troll. Seriously though, if I"m missing something then cool. I simply don't see what you are describing totally. I agree there was no reason for Mrs. Consig to apologize or for Consig to apologize. I'm sure the HT's felt the same. Do I think misunderstood the story? yes. Do I think she over-reacted? Sounds like it. People do that. I don't think she's bad or crazy or something. She over-reacted and seemed to take from teh story a message that didn't really relate to the story itself. No big deal. She's obviously upset and hurt by soething. I have no desire to go there. I'm just syaing, that seems to be Why me's main message and people here are saying he supports beating wife's because of it. Its pathetic DJ behavior--that mny other pick up on.
Love ya tons, Stem
I ain't nuttin'. don't get all worked up on account of me.