MDD Bans Poster for Opposing Church's Views on Porn

[_Scottie]

I just don't see 10% as the difference of bankruptcy or not.

Well, it's not 10% of the money they have, it's 10% before taxes and rent and student loan payments and car payments and hospital bills.

Whoa there... it's not necessarily before taxes. That is left to the payer. Most Mormons I know pay on net.

As for the others, it's one more bill. So? When I used to pay tithing, it was actually a fixed amount every month. It was one more dollar amount on my budget.

Last year, for example, our tithing amounted to 100% of our net income.

How do you figure?

[_Scottie]

Holy f***, man... No, he didn't. He said he wondered about it, and he said it with numerous qualifiers.

But far be it from me to trample on yours and MDD's right to be offended.

And just what, praytell, is the difference between saying he "wondered about it", "speculated about it" and "equated it"????

Kind of playing a petty semantics game, aren't ya Schmo?

But, okay, you win. I'm completely out of line for thinking someone was wrong for speculating about another mans porn usage with absolutely Z E R O reasons to do so. Oh wait... strike that. He "protesteth too much". My bad. Iron clad proof right there!

[_Buffalo]

I don't think that is true, Buff. THe church encourages marriage at a very young age. It also encourages not putting off babies for worldly reasons. Getting married before completing an education and starting to have babies right away cause a great deal of financial hardship on LDS couples.

There is a lot more to it than tithing.

ETA: More kids are more money, too.

Good call. I hadn't considered the "LDS women as broodmares for the church" doctrine.

[_Buffalo]

Whoa there... it's not necessarily before taxes. That is left to the payer. Most Mormons I know pay on net.

As for the others, it's one more bill. So? When I used to pay tithing, it was actually a fixed amount every month. It was one more dollar amount on my budget.

Last year, for example, our tithing amounted to 100% of our net income.

How do you figure?

We ran the numbers. Tithing accounted for almost exactly 100% of the money we had left over after paying all non-discretionary expenses.

Now, there's gross, and there's the IRS idea of net (after taxes), and then there's the business idea of net (after all operating expenses/interest). What I'm saying is we payed 100% of the business concept of net.

[_Some Schmo]

And just what, praytell, is the difference between saying he "wondered about it", "speculated about it" and "equated it"????

Did you see Morley post? He asked a very germane question, and I think it goes to the heart of your misunderstanding and subsequent overreaction.

Wondering: I wonder, based on a piece of data, if something is the case.

Equating/accusing: I'm pretty sure that schmo is a child molester.

Kind of playing a petty semantics game, aren't ya Schmo?

I don't think it's a semantics game to distinguish between speculation and accusation.

But, okay, you win. I'm completely out of line for thinking someone was wrong for speculating about another mans porn usage with absolutely Z E R O reasons to do so. Oh wait... strike that. He "protesteth too much". My bad. Iron clad proof right there!

It's wrong to speculate that someone might use porn? Really? Just so I'm clear, making a guess about someone based on their behavior is always bad, even if you don't flat out accuse them of it. Just thinking it is bad, and even worse is expressing that suspicion even if you're clear in your communication that it's only a suspicion. Have I got that right?

[_cinepro]

It's wrong to speculate that someone might use porn? Really? Just so I'm clear, making a guess about someone based on their behavior is always bad, even if you don't flat out accuse them of it. Just thinking it is bad, and even worse is expressing that suspicion even if you're clear in your communication that it's only a suspicion. Have I got that right?

No, Scottie has got it right.

[_Scottie]

But, okay, you win. I'm completely out of line for thinking someone was wrong for speculating about another mans porn usage with absolutely Z E R O reasons to do so. Oh wait... strike that. He "protesteth too much". My bad. Iron clad proof right there!

It's wrong to speculate that someone might use porn? Really? Just so I'm clear, making a guess about someone based on their behavior is always bad, even if you don't flat out accuse them of it. Just thinking it is bad, and even worse is expressing that suspicion even if you're clear in your communication that it's only a suspicion. Have I got that right?

When the sole reason for your speculation is "he protesteth too much", then, yes. It's wrong.

It's even more wrong to write it on a message board.

If, on the other hand, you have a neighbor that drives a windowless van and you see streams of blindfolded children coming into his home, then you just might be justified in speculating that something is up.

[_Droopy]

Did you read the study? The red states have the highest porn consumption. So it's a conservative/religious thing. Did you glance through the study I linked?

Yes, but its the liberals in both the red and blue states doing the lion's share of the porn consumption. There are plenty of liberals in red states, and social pathology follows them wherever they go, regardless of the statistical shading you want to put on a state.

[_Some Schmo]

It's wrong to speculate that someone might use porn? Really? Just so I'm clear, making a guess about someone based on their behavior is always bad, even if you don't flat out accuse them of it. Just thinking it is bad, and even worse is expressing that suspicion even if you're clear in your communication that it's only a suspicion. Have I got that right?

No, Scottie has got it right.

Thanks for the supporting argument. That helps a lot.

[_Some Schmo]

When the sole reason for your speculation is "he protesteth too much", then, yes. It's wrong.

Hmph... then I guess you need iron clad proof before you're willing to speculate on anything. What do you possibly have to think about, I wonder.

Those are some pretty stiff morals you're sporting there. Almost lds-like in their arbitrariness.

It's even more wrong to write it on a message board.

Well, like I said, I won't stand in the way of your being offended. Enjoy!