My Wife's Take on the New Mormon Media Blitz

[_why me]

And we can close this post with Why Me is an asshole.

So, it is okay to mock temple marriage? And it is okay to mock the counsel on ear piercings? Sorry liz, she chose her words not me. I just gave it back to her. She mentioned her faith to mock the LDS faith.

[_Blixa]

To think that Ms. Jack pointing out the unsaid limits of the "I'm a Mormon" campaign is somehow analogous to the violent actions of anti-Mormons in Missouri is beyond disingenuous, whyme. You'd have to be completely ignorant of Mormon Missouri history (which you may be) and Ms. Jack's opinions (which I know you're not) to think there was any foundation for such a comparison.

You're just being a smug, coy troll as usual. When called on your BS you're always shocked. "Who me?" should be your screen name.

I don't know what you get out of this; your particular trolling of women like Jack and justme is beginning to look disturbed.

Edited to add:

It was mocking that created the mobs back then.

You really do need to read some history, whyme. I can't think of a less accurate thing to say about the Mormon experience in Missouri.

[_why me]

This is the crux of the problem. This message that the church is now sending with its new PR campaign is very different from what Mrs. Consig and a lot of the rest of us were given in our many decades as members in the LDS church.

When you live your life and make your most important life decisions based on the teachings of the church it is a huge deal to have the church do an about-face with its message.

As I have said before, many Mormon women were working when they had little kids. Europe was full of Mormon mothers working outside the home. The state day care system was fantastic. And to my knowledge, I knew many women in NYC who were working and they had little children too. Some chose to stay home and some chose to work. It was a personal decision.

We also need to understand that the church today is full of converts who have various life situations wth their work outside the home. Many chose to continue that situation. No problem.

[Guest]

And this is comparable to mobs burning out Mormons in 1830s Missouri?

It was mocking that created the mobs back then. It is no different today, except for the lack of mobs.

She mentioned her faith in her post, not me. She mocked the LDS church, not me. I countered with the protestant faith that burned out the Mormons.

I had ancestors on the Mormon side at Haun's Mill. I had Mormon ancestors in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. I resent you trivializing what happened there by comparing the acceptance of a pierced ear to armed mob violence that culminated in murder and rape. You're f*ing kidding me.


edit: Ha! This is me getting all self-righteous.

[_why me]

To think that Ms. Jack pointing out the unsaid limits of the "I'm a Mormon" campaign is somehow analogous to the violent actions of anti-Mormons in Missouri is beyond disingenuous, whyme. You'd have to be completely ignorant of Mormon Missouri history (which you may be) and Ms. Jack's opinions (which I know you're not) to think there was any foundation for such a comparison.
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Maybe you need to read up on history:

Mormons and the 'Mormon War'
Main article: Mormon War (1838)

Joseph Smith, Jr., the leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, claimed to have received revelation that western Missouri, specifically the area around Independence, and other areas of western Missouri, were to become Zion and a place of gathering. By the early 1830s, Mormons came into the area, at first to Independence and its nearby environs. The neighbors refused to tolerate the newcomers because the Mormons would vote in blocks and congregate in concentrated areas, and would typically trade only amongst themselves, and they would not hold slaves. Open claims by the Mormons that the area was given to them by God only worsened the situation. By the mid 1830s, Mormons had effectively been driven from the Independence area, but they relocated to counties north and a little east. By 1838, open hostility was peaking again. Missouri governor Lilburn Boggs issued Missouri Executive Order 44, which encouraged Missourians to expel Mormons by all means possible or exterminate them if they would not leave. Skirmishes and small battles occurred and a number of people were killed, mostly Mormons. Joseph Smith, Jr., was jailed, along with other LDS leaders and held in several jails for more than five months, with no hope of a trial or court hearing. Smith was allowed to escape and he and his church moved to Illinois to form the city of Nauvoo in 1839. Missouri still holds many important sites still considered significant by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Community of Christ. In 1976 Missouri officially revoked the extermination order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Missouri

[_Buffalo]

He can close with: And I am a Mormon who married an antimormon protestant, the kind that burned out the Mormons in Missiouri in the 1830's. Now I am antimormon myself. And my spouse and I are happy.

And Why Me can close his posts with "I am the kind of Mormon that massacred over a hundred Methodists, raped the women as they lay dying on the ground, and stole all their valuables."

[_why me]

I had ancestors on the Mormon side at Haun's Mill. I had Mormon ancestors in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. I resent you trivializing what happened there by comparing the acceptance of a pierced ear to armed mob violence that culminated in murder and rape. You're f*ing kidding me.

Ms Jack mentioned her protestant faith in her post that was critical and mocking of LDS practices. Not me. Read her post and tell me that she didn't mock LDS practices on temple marriage and ear piercings by mentioning her protestant wedding and her husband's birthday gift by saying that a I am Mormon series could have her husband as a main character.

[_Buffalo]

It was mocking that created the mobs back then. It is no different today, except for the lack of mobs.

No it wasn't. I guess you're as big an ignoramus as you are an asshole.

[_Morley]

She mentioned the Mormon temple marriage, not me. She mocked it and critised it, not me. I have nothing against people marrying outside the faith. But when the spouse mocks the LDS faith on this board, well, I have to respond. She could have posted a less critical post about temple marriage and the LDS understanding of ear piercings.

How is this (below) mocking temple marriage?

"I think the church should feature him in an "I'm a Mormon" commercial. He can show off the pictures of a Protestant minister performing his wedding, gush about how great it was to hold a wedding that all of our friends and families could be a part of, and talk about how he decided to surprise me for my birthday one year by coming home with an earring."

[_Blixa]

To think that Ms. Jack pointing out the unsaid limits of the "I'm a Mormon" campaign is somehow analogous to the violent actions of anti-Mormons in Missouri is beyond disingenuous, whyme. You'd have to be completely ignorant of Mormon Missouri history (which you may be) and Ms. Jack's opinions (which I know you're not) to think there was any foundation for such a comparison.
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Maybe you need to read up on history:

Mormons and the 'Mormon War'
Main article: Mormon War (1838)

Joseph Smith, Jr., the leader of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, claimed to have received revelation that western Missouri, specifically the area around Independence, and other areas of western Missouri, were to become Zion and a place of gathering. By the early 1830s, Mormons came into the area, at first to Independence and its nearby environs. The neighbors refused to tolerate the newcomers because the Mormons would vote in blocks and congregate in concentrated areas, and would typically trade only amongst themselves, and they would not hold slaves. Open claims by the Mormons that the area was given to them by God only worsened the situation. By the mid 1830s, Mormons had effectively been driven from the Independence area, but they relocated to counties north and a little east. By 1838, open hostility was peaking again. Missouri governor Lilburn Boggs issued Missouri Executive Order 44, which encouraged Missourians to expel Mormons by all means possible or exterminate them if they would not leave. Skirmishes and small battles occurred and a number of people were killed, mostly Mormons. Joseph Smith, Jr., was jailed, along with other LDS leaders and held in several jails for more than five months, with no hope of a trial or court hearing. Smith was allowed to escape and he and his church moved to Illinois to form the city of Nauvoo in 1839. Missouri still holds many important sites still considered significant by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Community of Christ. In 1976 Missouri officially revoked the extermination order.[/b]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Missouri

I've read a great deal more than wikipedia entries, whyme.

Also, I don't see any mention of how mocking LDS religious beliefs played any role in the formation of anti-mormon sentiment in what you're quoted.

Morley is right. Your specious and trolling comments do nothing other than trivialize the suffering of Mormons in Missouri. You apparently don't even care enough to read the material you cite.

I don't know what you're defending in your posts, whome, but its not Mormonism or Mormon history.