My Wife's Take on the New Mormon Media Blitz

[_stemelbow]

It is odd isn't it. Most of the critics hear were members just like me. Then when I look at most of the apologist they are members that I rarely met. They really weren't like me at all.

This is sooo crazy! I'm around church members all the time and they are nothing like you or whyme. I'm pretty sure I know what the majority of members are like.

I am sure you don't even have a clue most of the member's names or faces for that matter. And I'm also sure you probably have misinterpreted many things from members. And you are right. If you would go to my ward you would quickly see I"m quite different from the majority. That doesn't mean I don't have a grasp of the majority's way of thinking.

[_Rambo]

I suppose if I were interested in playing games and I gave more than two thoughts about my appearance I might try it. As it is, I just don't' see the point.

The point is for you to find out what the average member thinks about your earing. You just don't want to be a bad example to your kids right.

Come on if it's not a big deal then just do it. Like you said you don't care about your appearance.

If you find out what the average member thinks and what the leaders think then maybe you will have more sympothy with Consig's wife.

[_Buffalo]

Why Me is basically a nevermo, and you're EXTREMELY heterodox, almost to the point of apostasy. I'm not sure either of you really understand the church as it is for most members.

I think I have a fairly good graspon how most members view the church. I also will acknowledge that in many respects I will disagree with the majority position, but to characterize me as "EXTREMELY heterodox" is very misleading or plain ignorant. But in truth, I do get the impression that many people here were the type of members I don't much care for, at least judging by the things they say. In a way that's cool because they are probably better people outside the Church. When I start reading from some posters here, I normally get the impression that they think many or most members are as they were, or as their grandmas were, or something.

You seem to be willing to abandon almost any doctrine of the church if you think it will make it easier to argue for the overall truthfulness of the church. That's pretty heterodox.

I wasn't a Judy Judger. I was a liberal Mormon. I really liked to see earrings in church. But I wouldn't have dared wear one myself, because of how I would have been treated.

[_Buffalo]

Why Me is basically a nevermo, and you're EXTREMELY heterodox, almost to the point of apostasy. I'm not sure either of you really understand the church as it is for most members.

And here is the judgementalism that buffalo had as a tbm. I would be a nevermo even though I supported two daughters on a mission and attend the Mormon church, true, not all three meetings. Amazing. Sadly, I have heard the same refrain from other exmos on this board who were most likely very judgemental tbms.

You're what used to be called a "Jack Mormon." A non-Mormon who supports Mormons. Congrats. I'm sure you would have torn into the Fancher party with both barrels.

[_stemelbow]

The point is for you to find out what the average member thinks about your earing. You just don't want to be a bad example to your kids right.

You simply don't get it. If I showed up a church on Sunday with a fake earring everyone would chuckle, knowing full well it was fake. They know me too well to know I wouldn't ever care two licks about how I look enough to go and get an earring for some sort of immature statement--which is about the gist of any particular reason I would get an earring.

Come on if it's not a big deal then just do it. Like you said you don't care about your appearance.

What's funny is you really think you know that my ward would start gossiping about me and judging me. Oh brother. You don't have a clue do you?

If you find out what the average member thinks and what the leaders think then maybe you will have more sympothy with Consig's wife.

I can already guess what they think when they see someone with an earring, "interesting looking fella. Perhaps I'll go over and meet him and learn his story". They certainly aren't going to think, "what a chump. I hate him for his effort to appear at my church building with an earring in his ear."

[_stemelbow]

You're what used to be called a "Jack Mormon." A non-Mormon who supports Mormons. Congrats. I'm sure you would have torn into the Fancher party with both barrels.

oh brother. Sometimes yuo guys go to ridiculous lengths to complain about others.

[_Buffalo]

The point is for you to find out what the average member thinks about your earing. You just don't want to be a bad example to your kids right.

You simply don't get it. If I showed up a church on Sunday with a fake earring everyone would chuckle, knowing full well it was fake. They know me too well to know I wouldn't ever care two licks about how I look enough to go and get an earring for some sort of immature statement--which is about the gist of any particular reason I would get an earring.

Come on if it's not a big deal then just do it. Like you said you don't care about your appearance.

What's funny is you really think you know that my ward would start gossiping about me and judging me. Oh brother. You don't have a clue do you?

If you find out what the average member thinks and what the leaders think then maybe you will have more sympothy with Consig's wife.

I can already guess what they think when they see someone with an earring, "interesting looking fella. Perhaps I'll go over and meet him and learn his story". They certainly aren't going to think, "what a chump. I hate him for his effort to appear at my church building with an earring in his ear."

Talk is cheap, Stem.

[_just me]

When you respond like this you sound like you are invalidating the feelings and experiences of other members of the church. Is that your intent? You acknowledge here that it is a huge deal to some, but you have also said that Mrs. Consig over-reacted. If it is a big deal then she clearly did not over-react. You can't have it both ways.

I think you misunderstand the reason behind my saying she seemed to have over-reacted. But I won't go over it again. It appears I already, somehow, offended Consig over the issue.

Ok, I guess we all misunderstood. But, you stand by your believe that her reaction is invalid. Awesome.

I am glad to know that you have not made any life altering decisions based on counsel from the pulpit only to have that counsel reversed.

Thanks.

Welcome

Gosh, I can only imagine what the Manifesto felt like. You would have been telling all them poly wives who now had to seperate from the family that "it ain't no thing." ;)

That's very sweet of you to take it there. I'm sure we all had this type of thing in mind.

:D Yeah, I just thought of that. Like, man that would have sucked so bad to be them! Then, after I posted, I remembered your disdain for hyperbole and playful banter. But, when you use words like "ain't" it makes it seem like you do enjoy playful banter. It confuses me.

[_stemelbow]

You seem to be willing to abandon almost any doctrine of the church if you think it will make it easier to argue for the overall truthfulness of the church. That's pretty heterodox.

What doctrine am I so willing to abandon? I mean I never will abandon that Jesus is the Christ, as long as I beleive. I will never abandon that we can pray to God, learn from Him, be guided by Him, and that by so exerting ourselves we can understand Him more.

I wasn't a Judy Judger. I was a liberal Mormon. I really liked to see earrings in church. But I wouldn't have dared wear one myself, because of how I would have been treated.

That may work too. By the way, what do you mean "wasn't"? I was under the impression you are still a Church attender?

[_Buffalo]

You're what used to be called a "Jack Mormon." A non-Mormon who supports Mormons. Congrats. I'm sure you would have torn into the Fancher party with both barrels.

oh brother. Sometimes yuo guys go to ridiculous lengths to complain about others.

It's a response to whyme comparing Mrs Jack & her husband to the men who murdered Mormons in Missouri. It's called sarcasm. I didn't hear you talking about "ridiculous lengths" when why me did it.