My Wife's Take on the New Mormon Media Blitz

[_why me]

I have posted on MDD board as whether or nor getting married in the temple is a commandment. Lets see what happens. However, this thread was started by Consig and we have gotten way off topic. I think that consigs wife overreacted with the home teacher. What needs to be understood is that society is changing. It is becoming almost impossible for LDS women to stay at home these days. Between uncertainty in the job market and costs of living increases plus, downturn in wages, many women need to find work outside the home. However, the advice is still the same, if possible women should stay at home and raise their children.

I see nothing wrong with showing women working and still raising their children in the I am a Mormon series. IIt is based in todays realities. Many LDS women in the past also worked when they were raising children. They experienced no problems from the LDS church. It was a matter of choice.

[_jon]

I have posted on MDD board as whether or nor getting married in the temple is a commandment. Lets see what happens. However, this thread was started by Consig and we have gotten way off topic. I think that consigs wife overreacted with the home teacher. What needs to be understood is that society is changing. It is becoming almost impossible for LDS women to stay at home these days. Between uncertainty in the job market and costs of living increases plus, downturn in wages, many women need to find work outside the home. However, the advice is still the same, if possible women should stay at home and raise their children.

I see nothing wrong with showing women working and still raising their children in the I am a Mormon series. IIt is based in todays realities. Many LDS women in the past also worked when they were raising children. They experienced no problems from the LDS church. It was a matter of choice.

So, do you agree that the Church is correct to alter policy, practice and doctrine to conform with societal change?

[_DrW]

Second, your wife seems like a very intelligent woman. How on earth did you convince her to marry you? j/k

Boy, is that a good question!

And a long story.

Here's the short version:

We knew each other in high school but then we went our separate ways.

She went to England to live for a year after her first husband died.

We renewed our friendship through letters.

I had recently gotten divorced from my first wife, who was busy having her second affair. (The first was with a 19-year old we let stay at our house while preparing for his mission because his family disowned him when he converted to Mormonism. After I forgave her that, she struck up an "acquaintance" with another guy--this one married in the temple with four kids. I would go further, but this is the short version. Also omitted is the divine intervention on both sides of the pond with me and my second wife that led to our wedding.)

I flew to England and we got married.

We actually went on our first date as newlyweds.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Late to this thread, but I really like this story as well. Thanks for sharing it.

Parts of England can be very romantic.

(What a way to get a first date.)

[_MsJack]

I have posted on MDD board as whether or nor getting married in the temple is a commandment.

From Young Women Manual 1 Lesson 18 (emphasis mine):

Now ask the young women to list reasons that young people give for wanting to be married in the temple. Some of these reasons are given below. [SNIP]

• 1. It is a commandment of God.
  
• 2. Heavenly Father has promised many blessings to those who marry in his house and live according to the covenants made there.
  
• 3. It is the only way to have a husband and wife and family together in the hereafter.
  
• 4. It can allow us to dwell in the presence of God, in the highest degree of glory in the celestial kingdom.
  
• 5. The parents have taught and wish for a temple marriage for their children.
  
• 6. Friends are being married in the temple.
  
• 7. The couple love each other so much they want to be together forever.
  
• 8. Each partner can know the other partner values the gospel.
  
• 9. Each partner can be assured the other partner is chaste and virtuous.

If the LDS church can describe temple marriage as a "commandment of God" in its official lesson materials, so can I.

However, this thread was started by Consig and we have gotten way off topic.

I'm not surprised that you're trying to slink away from your vicious personal attacks on myself and my husband and your woeful ignorance of what the LDS church teaches about temple marriage. Choose not to apologize if you want. You may not be a believer in Matthew 12:36, but I am.

[_Buffalo]

I have posted on MDD board as whether or nor getting married in the temple is a commandment. Lets see what happens. However, this thread was started by Consig and we have gotten way off topic. I think that consigs wife overreacted with the home teacher. What needs to be understood is that society is changing. It is becoming almost impossible for LDS women to stay at home these days. Between uncertainty in the job market and costs of living increases plus, downturn in wages, many women need to find work outside the home. However, the advice is still the same, if possible women should stay at home and raise their children.

I see nothing wrong with showing women working and still raising their children in the I am a Mormon series. IIt is based in todays realities. Many LDS women in the past also worked when they were raising children. They experienced no problems from the LDS church. It was a matter of choice.

And, being actual Mormons, they agreed that it's a commandment. Now STFU.

[_stemelbow]

If this is a big deal to someone, please explain the appropriate amount of emotion that they can validly react with. A valid reaction and a warranted reaction mean just about the same thing in my mind.

When we validate the feelings, emotions and experiences of others we don't tell them that they are overreacting nor do we tell them stories about all the other LDS women we now who have had jobs outside the home.

If your wife were to have this reaction and tell you and you then responded to her the way you did in this thread I promise you she would feel a lack of validation.

I'm not quibbling about what I perceive as your effort to mislead regarding my thoughts. I'll leave it as I said and let you all over-react to it. I've said my piece on it. I think you all will over-react to my comments and suggest things I never said, implied nor intended. I've already offended Consig, somehow, I won't continue.

[_stemelbow]

Okay then. I look forward to the advertisements featuring Mormons with tattoos, Mormons who drink, Mormons who smoke, and Mormons who sleep with their girlfriends and then lie to their bishops about it. Because, I guarantee it, you can be all of those things and be Mormon.

Oh brother. Having a pierced ear or a woman having a job is hardly along the same lines of drinking, smoking and sleeping with someone outside of marriage for LDS folks. I know you promote having a good to great understanding of LDS but his is a classic fail on your part. I'm sure your partners can even agree with me on that--well not publically as they don't do that here, but intheir head they will.

[_jon]

From LDS.org

Latter-day prophets strongly discourage the piercing of the body except for medical purposes. If girls or women desire to have their ears pierced, they are encouraged to wear only one pair of modest earrings.

The Apostle Paul taught of the significance of the body and the danger of purposefully defiling it: “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are” (1 Corinthians 3:16-17).

Those who choose to disregard this counsel show a lack of respect for themselves and for God. They will someday regret their decision.

Sounds like the Church takes a pretty dim view of earings.

[_stemelbow]

Sounds like the Church takes a pretty dim view of earings.

your post does seem to suggest you have the far more conservative, letter of the law, interpretation of things LDS. I simply don't hold that type of thinking. So while in the words you quoted you see something that must suggest an LDS man who gets a piercing is of the devil or something. I do not.

[_jon]

Sounds like the Church takes a pretty dim view of earings.

your post does seem to suggest you have the far more conservative, letter of the law, interpretation of things LDS. I simply don't hold that type of thinking. So while in the words you quoted you see something that must suggest an LDS man who gets a piercing is of the devil or something. I do not.

Stem, how would you define the following statement?
''If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are''
Which comes from the official statements of the Church with regards to piercings, including ear piercings.