The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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stemelbow wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I live in a pretty liberal ward. We have a guy (middle-aged guy) with an earring, and no one makes the fuss. But they would have in all the other wards I've been in. People would look at you funny for wearing a blue shirt. Not in this ward though, which is nice.


We have three guys with earrings.


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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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just me wrote:Yes, of course you do not want to clarify. You are not really here to learn and understand other viewpoints.


That's a lie. That's exactly why I'm here.

You are only here to show us how we are overreacting to everything. You seem to desire a one-way street. This could all be over if you would deign to clarify, but you refuse.


I just clarified it all again, Just me. I'm playing along anymore though. And pointing out when someone over-reacts does not suggest that's the reason I show up here.

I know you say you are not going to talk about it anymore, but if I might be so bold as to ask one more question.

What does the word "overreact" mean to you? Because you claim that everyone is doing it....but you.


Oh I've agreed when I've over-reacted and others have pointed it out. Indeed I might be over-reacting a little, in exasperation, on this very topic. I can't figure out why you have plainly misread me. But we all do it at some point. Some of the psters here are just far more willing to place blame on others rather than accept the facts.

This isn't a game. Never was, never will be. This is how people try to have a meaningful converstation and gain deeper understanding of the other party.


Sorry, Just me. I disagree. You claimed I said Mrs. Consig's wife's reaction was not valid even after I explicitly denied that claim. There's no meaningful conversation to take place when one party insists the other party holds a position that the other party explicity denies holding. There's nothing meaningful in that. Peace be to you.
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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stemelbow wrote:
just me wrote:Yes, of course you do not want to clarify. You are not really here to learn and understand other viewpoints.


That's a lie. That's exactly why I'm here.


Actually, it's an observation.

You are only here to show us how we are overreacting to everything. You seem to desire a one-way street. This could all be over if you would deign to clarify, but you refuse.


I just clarified it all again, Just me. I'm playing along anymore though. And pointing out when someone over-reacts does not suggest that's the reason I show up here.


You haven't clarified. You continue to use the word "overreact." I am telling you what your words mean to me (and others) based on the dictionary definition of the word.

When you say that someone has overreacted you are JUDGING their reaction, and negatively. Judging someone's emotional reaction to a situation is the very definition of emotional invalidation that I posted earlier.

You can say that isn't what you are doing all you want, but by definition you are. In order to make me understand you mean something different you will have to tell me that you misused the word "overreact" and that you actually mean something different. Then you have to actually choose other words to say what you really do mean.

I know you say you are not going to talk about it anymore, but if I might be so bold as to ask one more question.

What does the word "overreact" mean to you? Because you claim that everyone is doing it....but you.


Oh I've agreed when I've over-reacted and others have pointed it out. Indeed I might be over-reacting a little, in exasperation, on this very topic. I can't figure out why you have plainly misread me. But we all do it at some point. Some of the psters here are just far more willing to place blame on others rather than accept the facts.


So, what does the word "overreact" mean when you use it? Do you mean it in a different way than the dictionary?

This isn't a game. Never was, never will be. This is how people try to have a meaningful converstation and gain deeper understanding of the other party.


Sorry, Just me. I disagree. You claimed I said Mrs. Consig's wife's reaction was not valid even after I explicitly denied that claim. There's no meaningful conversation to take place when one party insists the other party holds a position that the other party explicity denies holding. There's nothing meaningful in that. Peace be to you.


When you said that she "overreacted" you were invalidating her emotionally. If you don't actually mean to say that she overreacted then take the opportunity to use different words to tell us your opinion on the matter.

But, we emotionally invalidate people every time we judge their emotional reaction to a situation.

It would be very meaningful to me if you would try to understand where I am coming from and what your words actually mean to me and others. I don't know why that is asking so much.
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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Rambo wrote:wow what an over reaction. Calm down dude.

I really think you miss read my post. I didn't say people would be making a huge fuss. I said there would be some talking behind the back if suddenly one of the Elders got an earing. I also said that some of the leaders would ask this person to take it out.


Do not fret, I'm calm. If we agreed so much then I don't see why you think I'm not really even a Mormon. So why do you assume as much?
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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just me wrote:When you said that she "overreacted" you were invalidating her emotionally. If you don't actually mean to say that she overreacted then take the opportunity to use different words to tell us your opinion on the matter.

But, we emotionally invalidate people every time we judge their emotional reaction to a situation.

It would be very meaningful to me if you would try to understand where I am coming from and what your words actually mean to me and others. I don't know why that is asking so much.


That is weird, just me. Its my words and my intents that you have questioned, confused, twisted, and all that. not the other way around. But here goes. I say she over-reacted because the story, the topic, had nothing to do with women with kids staying home raising kids. I do not say that her feelings on the matter are not valid. I simply think context demands that her reaction had nothing to do with the context, on that it appeared to be an overreaction. You seem to suggest that if I call it an overreaction that means I actually think she should not feel angry about something. I have clearly, many times, explained that is not my position in the least.

You seem to misunderstand that situation and context ought to be in consideration, and that means if one overreacts in a certain situation that does not mean the emotions and feelings that the one has are invalid. It means the emotions and feelings that the one has have nothing to do with the topic.
Love ya tons,
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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stemelbow wrote:
That is weird, just me. Its my words and my intents that you have questioned, confused, twisted, and all that. not the other way around. But here goes. I say she over-reacted because the story, the topic, had nothing to do with women with kids staying home raising kids. I do not say that her feelings on the matter are not valid. I simply think context demands that her reaction had nothing to do with the context, on that it appeared to be an overreaction. You seem to suggest that if I call it an overreaction that means I actually think she should not feel angry about something. I have clearly, many times, explained that is not my position in the least.

You seem to misunderstand that situation and context ought to be in consideration, and that means if one overreacts in a certain situation that does not mean the emotions and feelings that the one has are invalid. It means the emotions and feelings that the one has have nothing to do with the topic.


Wow that made perfect sense!
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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stemelbow wrote:
Rambo wrote:wow what an over reaction. Calm down dude.

I really think you miss read my post. I didn't say people would be making a huge fuss. I said there would be some talking behind the back if suddenly one of the Elders got an earing. I also said that some of the leaders would ask this person to take it out.


Do not fret, I'm calm. If we agreed so much then I don't see why you think I'm not really even a Mormon. So why do you assume as much?


You are not the typical Mormon if you are Mormon.... I know Mormons very well and you seem to live in a Mormon lala land that does not exist.
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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Rambo wrote:Wow that made perfect sense!


I don't know about perfect sense, but I did my best and I think it came out okay. I suppose I'll be painted as bad anyway by someone (oh wait I think that's what your sarcastic comment was attempting to do). You guys...sometimes I don't know what to say to help ya.
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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Rambo wrote:You are not the typical Mormon if you are Mormon.... I know Mormons very well and you seem to live in a Mormon lala land that does not exist.


So no definable or explainable reason at all? Just an attempted put down (whcih didn't really work by the way)? Alright. I'll take that type of hostility and move on. I was quite curious...
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Re: The conspiracy against Stemelbow, real or not...?

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stemelbow wrote:
Rambo wrote:You are not the typical Mormon if you are Mormon.... I know Mormons very well and you seem to live in a Mormon lala land that does not exist.


So no definable or explainable reason at all? Just an attempted put down (whcih didn't really work by the way)? all right. I'll take that type of hostility and move on. I was quite curious...


Is the truth a put down? Then I'm sorry you are not the typical Mormon. Hey don't worry that could be a good thing.
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