I just want you to have some really interesting company in the CK.
They've made themselves ineligible for the CK because of murder.
That's a disappointment for them (I take it you are in the clear yourself on this).
So what's in it for them if they do accept baptism in the next life? How far up the kingdoms can they get? Does acceptance move them straight up to a nicer place from wherever they are now?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
So what's in it for them if they do accept baptism in the next life? How far up the kingdoms can they get?
I don't think they can get past the Telestial.
Does acceptance move them straight up to a nicer place from wherever they are now?
Telestial bound folks suffer in hell (at least if they are Telestial bound because of sin) until the last resurrection. No immediate move to a nicer place.
Nephi committed murder but I'm betting you think he got in ok....
But here's a question for this board: How long will it take before Gaddafi is baptized by some keen young LDS people? I'd quite like that to happen to him, really, so he can enjoy eternity in the company of the exalted Schryver and bcspace, which I know is bound to give him keen pleasure. Has Osama bin Laden been given this wonderful privilege yet, and if not why not?
Since when in LDS doctrine does having the work done for you guarantee eternal life or prevent one from suffering in hell?
bcspace wrote:... Being a free market capitalist (as God is) ...
Up to now, I've read many attributes of god/God. Free market capitalist was not among them. One can learn new things.
I don't care Your attributes, by the way.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Nephi committed murder but I'm betting you think he got in ok....
bcspace wrote:Not murder by definition.
jon wrote:Is that because Nephi was told to kill the unconscious and defenceless Laban by the voice in his head/warm feeling of the Holy Ghost in his heart?
Nephi was insane as evidenced by the voice...and therefore unable to premeditate and be deliberate. He was just a tool doing the bidding of whatever the voice...told him to do. It was a bit like David Berkowitz in 1978 thinking a demon that was possessing his neighbor's dog was commanding him to commit those murders in NYC. Nephi was just doing a 'Son of Sam' thing.
Well, since the entire Nazi regime along with the SS has received their ordinances done for them I don't see why we can't throw in a dictator or two.
I wonder if Stalin has received his ordinances yet...
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.